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Re: Sorry, I officially don't like the new Taylor Web-Site
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2012, 05:19:23 PM »
Navigating around new site via iPhone is extremely frustrating!!! Can't touch the screen without the site jumping to somewhere you don't want to go to.  Maybe they're planning on an iPhone AP next????

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Re: Sorry, I officially don't like the new Taylor Web-Site
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2012, 10:48:02 PM »
Oh well, in the big picture any complaints I have here are pretty tiny and unimportant, I think it is eye candy and I do go there to just oggle the guitars so I'm a pretty happy camper.

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Re: Sorry, I officially don't like the new Taylor Web-Site
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2012, 12:36:13 PM »
I agree.  I am disappointed in the new website. 

I wanted to look at a GA-5.  Go to "guitars", choose body type after several failures with other options, then scroll thru until I get to the GA-5 photo on page three and THEN go to the GA-5 description.  Once I got there it was fine, but the journey sucks.
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Re: Sorry, I officially don't like the new Taylor Web-Site
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2012, 12:42:36 PM »
Now that you've got me started, here's another thing.  If you're going to tell me the GA-5 comes with a "mahogany sunburst" option, does that mean the top "option" must be mahogany (but that the sunburst is tobacco, cherry or something else), that the sunburst is somehow different than a tobacco burst or does it mean something else?  I don't know. And don't tell me a photo is unavailable.
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Re: Sorry, I officially don't like the new Taylor Web-Site
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2012, 02:40:33 PM »
Now that you've got me started, here's another thing.  If you're going to tell me the GA-5 comes with a "mahogany sunburst" option, does that mean the top "option" must be mahogany (but that the sunburst is tobacco, cherry or something else), that the sunburst is somehow different than a tobacco burst or does it mean something else?  I don't know. And don't tell me a photo is unavailable.
this area appears to be in the midst of being updated
http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitar-options-acoustic/mahogany-sunburst-top-only
http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/acoustic/acoustic-5-series

here's a link to a pic of a mahogany top edgeburst model
http://www.alpha-music.com/productcart/pc/catalog/000000003813_1XL.jpg
the sunburst finish options are honey & tobacco on spruce & cedar tops

here are links to a 516ce cedar honeyburst model (as listed in the description)
http://www.rainbowguitars.com/imagesproduct/to/to516cehb-xl.jpg
http://www.rainbowguitars.com/imagesproduct/to/to516cehb-xl-02.jpg

unless there are a version of the sunburst on a mahogany top that has the same shading
pattern as a spruce or cedar top, i believe the correct term is mahogany edgeburst

if one has experienced an area of the website that one feels is difficult to navigate,
please note the steps that were taken to arrive at the info that was being sought,
along with the location (copy the address & post as a hyper-link) & please add any
suggestions or ideas that you feel would make it easier or more intuitive to use

if there are specifications, pics, technical information or features that you feel are lacking,
please note the address & post as a hyper-link, if it is related to one specific area/page,
along with any suggestions or ideas that you feel would make the info more complete

Shannon is open to our input & he would like more specific information, regarding locations
(addresses) & suggestions in order to add to & improve the overall 'completeness' of the site

please feel free to make any suggestions here for any additions you would like to see &
for any improvements that you feel would make make the site more intuitive to use, here
http://www.unofficialtaylorguitarforum.com/index.php?topic=939.0

PMs can also be sent to Shannon as well, but please check the above thread to see if
the same concern has already been brought up & if so, please quote the post that is
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Re: Sorry, I officially don't like the new Taylor Web-Site
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2012, 06:38:16 PM »
Navigating around new site via iPhone is extremely frustrating!!! Can't touch the screen without the site jumping to somewhere you don't want to go to.  Maybe they're planning on an iPhone AP next????
Yes, we are planning a mobile friendly version of the site. :)
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Re: Sorry, I officially don't like the new Taylor Web-Site
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2012, 06:42:43 PM »
I agree.  I am disappointed in the new website. 

I wanted to look at a GA-5.  Go to "guitars", choose body type after several failures with other options, then scroll thru until I get to the GA-5 photo on page three and THEN go to the GA-5 description.  Once I got there it was fine, but the journey sucks.
I'm curious, if you were looking for a specific model why you didn't just type it into the search or look on the "All Guitars" page? If those didn't seem like ways to find that information I want to know why so we can look at ways to make it more obvious. Thanks! :)
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Re: Sorry, I officially don't like the new Taylor Web-Site
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2012, 07:31:11 PM »
I agree.  I am disappointed in the new website. 

I wanted to look at a GA-5.  Go to "guitars", choose body type after several failures with other options, then scroll thru until I get to the GA-5 photo on page three and THEN go to the GA-5 description.  Once I got there it was fine, but the journey sucks.
I'm curious, if you were looking for a specific model why you didn't just type it into the search or look on the "All Guitars" page? If those didn't seem like ways to find that information I want to know why so we can look at ways to make it more obvious. Thanks! :)

Searching on a specific model assumes that the user understands the Taylor product line and therefore knows the specific model to query. Additionally, a search of that nature shows the guitar in isolation and not in comparison to other guitars to which it is related.

The new site suffers from the same shortcomings as computer applications that come with no instruction manual and depend upon trial and error by the user in order to learn how to use it. There is no structure, organization or hierarchical ordering.

This user knew to look for a specific model. A friend of mine is a new player trying to learn about Taylors. I sent him to your website. After half an hour he gave up trying to understand all of the variations. In other words, he lacked the product familiarity necessary to unlock your website. Taylor might have gained a customer in this guy. Last I heard he was surfing on the Martin site.

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Re: Sorry, I officially don't like the new Taylor Web-Site
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2012, 07:36:49 PM »
I have my reservations on the layout of the site.  I will also be the first to tell you that I don't like change all that much in these matters,  I have to re-learn how to get around.
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Re: Sorry, I officially don't like the new Taylor Web-Site
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2012, 09:38:49 PM »
I'll be honest, I'm a bit confused by all the hand wringing and complaining going on here.  Either I'm some kind of freakin' genius (which I can assure you, I'm not...), or the website magically opened its doors of knowledge to me as soon as I arrived.

After reading all the complaints, I went to the site and hit GUITARS and found there was a plethora of options to find what I was looking for.  either by wood, shape, series or type.  If I didn't like that, I could go to the "All Guitars" link and look through a list of every stinkin' model number currently available.  It doesn't get any easier than that!  Once I select a model, I get price, specs woods, options, pretty pictures that I can zoom in on to examine them in detail.  Short of a 3-D 360 degree hologram of the guitar spinning in front of my monitor, I don't know what else you'd want.

Taylorware shop right next door to the guitars, then the Taylor blogosphere next to that for a little casual reading, Service, support, news & events are all there plain as day.  Seems like a pretty darned set up for someone interested in learning about or selecting a Taylor guitar.

Does it have the history/timeline/20 years of W&S/etc?  Not yet.  When you moved into a new house, did you empty all of the boxes you brought from the old house on the day you moved in?  No, of course you didn't.  You made sure that you could function normally in the new house first, then grabbed a box of knick-knacks and old books when you had a free Saturday to go through and make sure it found the right spot in the house.  That's what's going on now on the new website.  The crew is still in the midst of unpacking the important stuff, then they'll get to the little details. 

I have to tell you this -- For someone who has watched Taylor go from barely having a site and not allowing internet sales to what we see today, I'm pretty darned impressed with what I'm seeing so far...
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« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2012, 12:56:31 AM »
This is getting more confusing all the time. What I notice in these situations is that how people use a website can be quite different. Generally I look for menu's myself and hate using the search window, maybe because I'm a Mac person and yes i use my iPhone for 90% of all Internet use. I think that my friends who grew up using PCs with lots of layers will approach a website differently than those who now use an iPad or smartphone. I have to admit that for me the new website is a bit like looking in the fridge for the corned beef but I don't care because I'm not taking it that seriously and seeing it more as a pretty picture book and google for reviews elsewhere to find out important information is, a new habit I acquired since the new Taylor and Martin websites came out.

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Re: Sorry, I officially don't like the new Taylor W
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2012, 07:25:48 AM »
This is getting more confusing all the time. What I notice in these situations is that how people use a website can be quite different. Generally I look for menu's myself and hate using the search window, maybe because I'm a Mac person and yes i use my iPhone for 90% of all Internet use. I think that my friends who grew up using PCs with lots of layers will approach a website differently than those who now use an iPad or smartphone. I have to admit that for me the new website is a bit like looking in the fridge for the corned beef but I don't care because I'm not taking it that seriously and seeing it more as a pretty picture book and google for reviews elsewhere to find out important information is, a new habit I acquired since the new Taylor and Martin websites came out.

I'm with you on the search option.  Its on many sites and rarely if ever works really correctly to get you to what you are looking for.  You may end up with 100 matches and have to open 98 of them before you really get what you want (or realize the search term you should have used).

I don't mind the new site but I pretty much know my Taylors pretty well.  Not sure how it would be for someone looking for their first guitar etc. 

Really the one thing that could be used on the site is "help me pick a guitar".  Basically similar to a "pick your breed" dog site.  Ask a bunch of questions and match up to the top 2-3 picks for someone.  Then if you could offer photos and some sound bytes it may help folks narrow their choices.  It could also offer dealers that may one those guitars in inventory and a mechanism to email those dealers from there to inquire.

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Re: Sorry, I officially don't like the new Taylor W
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2012, 09:00:17 AM »
I'm with you on the search option.  Its on many sites and rarely if ever works really correctly to get you to what you are looking for.  You may end up with 100 matches and have to open 98 of them before you really get what you want (or realize the search term you should have used).

I don't mind the new site but I pretty much know my Taylors pretty well.  Not sure how it would be for someone looking for their first guitar etc. 

Really the one thing that could be used on the site is "help me pick a guitar".  Basically similar to a "pick your breed" dog site.  Ask a bunch of questions and match up to the top 2-3 picks for someone.  Then if you could offer photos and some sound bytes it may help folks narrow their choices.  It could also offer dealers that may one those guitars in inventory and a mechanism to email those dealers from there to inquire.

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First, thanks Shannon for being open to discussion and working to resolve the website issues.  Even in today's economy it is rare to run across a company today that truly does care what the customer thinks.

This is my particular situation - I am in the market for a 12-string.  Now I am also a Taylor lover so it seems like a no-brainer.  I am also an analytical CPA-type so my instinct is to gather info.  I also know that the risk of buying guitars is that I am going to want another at some point - do I spend the big bucks now or later, basically.

That said when I go to the Taylor website I can get to the 12-strings and look at all the pictures (about 5 pages) and specs but there is nothing there that tells me why I should consider a particular model.  Over the last year I have learned all about the different wood types but that's BC I have 2 Taylors now and participate in 2 forums.

I know that Taylor 12-strings tend to stay in tune, I know the different woods sound differently, and that alot of that is asthetics - I like Koa and Maple, others like other woods and sounds.  I second the suggestion of a "help me decide" feature that would help me narrow down the choices.  When I was in the market for my first guitar last year I did not have a clue as to why I should consider different wood types (whoever heard of cocobolo) and strings (why are there so many different kinds), and necks (size really does matter), and body sizes (again, the size thing), and etc.  I actually kind of stumbled onto Taylors and almost ended up with a Martin.  I also didn't know that the suggested price is just that - suggested.  Many people do not know that prices are discounted to "street" and one may even be able to negotiate further - kind of like buying a car.

I guess it all kind of boils down to your target market - people who know Taylor can move around the site but new people may have trouble.  I do go to Google but frankly, when a search on "12-string guitars" returns 1.2 million hits in 0.12 seconds - that's not helpful either.

My final point is that the Taylor website will play a role in my decision - but I am not a newbie, it's a good starting point as I can reference specs but when I consider spending probably thousands of dollars I'll have to get my info elsewhere.

Maybe a "connect to my local dealer" option would be good.  Then I could look at the models on the site and send a message to someone who would then become my go to for more info, would entice me to come in to their store, I would then get to play models and have them played for me to listen to, and actually get one in my hands all while establishing a relationship with that store.  My two local Taylor places have excellent staff that I interact with and I can call them and say "hey, it's me - I need some info....".

I have to say that as a newbie walking into GC or another music store I felt intimidated and when I walked into an acoustic room with hundreds of guitars, well.......  If I already have communicated with a store I can come in and they'll say, "hey, glad you could come in, let's look at those 12-strings".

Sorry for the long post and thanks for listening.

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Re: Sorry, I officially don't like the new Taylor Web-Site
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2012, 08:14:50 PM »
Yeah but it was a GOOD long post.

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Re: Sorry, I officially don't like the new Taylor Web-Site
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2012, 06:35:13 PM »
The customer is always king though, and it is not their role to patiently let a company's website grow on them. As mentioned by an above poster, I used to visit the Taylor website weekly. Now I use the search function at the AGF.
using a search function on any forum would entail logging in, inputting  the criteria into the search bar, selecting whether
the search by content in the title or in the post, then selecting whether the results are to be listed as posts or threads

using the website's current configuration, one can access any guitar in the acoustic electric series in 2 clicks -
mouse over 'guitars', click on 'all guitars', scroll down to 'guitar model index' , then click on the model desired

the acoustic, specialty, signature, baby, solidbody, t5 & t5 takes one more click -
click on 'a-z' in the 'guitar model index ' & then click on the model desired

granted the series could be possibly arranged all on one page, perhaps like this
(except formatted, so that everything is aligned  ::) )

100                  200                             300                            400

110      114       210           214ce          310ce    356ce           410ce      456ce
110e     114e     210e      214ce-blk       312ce    312ce-n           412ce      412ce-n
110ce    114ce   210ce   214ce-sb       314ce    314ce-n           414ce      414ce-n
                          214           214e-n           316ce                      416ce
                          214e      214ce-n

500                   600                             700                                    800
510ce   556ce     610ce     656ce          710ce           756ce         810ce       856ce
512ce   512ce-n     612ce     612ce-n          712ce           712ce-n         812ce       812ce-n
514ce   514ce-n     614ce     614ce-n          714ce           714ce-n         814ce     814ce-n
516ce                   616ce                             716ce                               816ce

900                         koa                      presentation             signature
910ce   956ce      k10ce      k20ce           ps10ce   ps56ce         ddsm       dmsm   
912ce   912ce-n      k12ce      k22ce           ps12ce               lksm       lksm-6
914ce   914ce-n      k14ce      k24ce           ps14ce               sccm       jmsm
914ce                 k16ce      k26ce           ps16ce               tsbt
                         k56ce      k66ce      


   
12-fret                 baritone                             acoustic 3                     acoustic 4   
12-fret                 baritone 6                           dn3       dn3e            dn4       dn4e
12-fret mahogany       bartone 6 mahogany         gc3       gc3e            gc4       gc4e
                         baritone 8                                  ga3       ga3e            ga4       ga4e
                         baritone 8 mahogany                  ga3-12   ga3e-12         ga4-12   ga4e-12

acoustic 5                      acoustic 6                    acoustic 7                    acoustic 8
dn5         dn5e              dn6    dn6e                 dn7       dn7e                  dn8       dn8e
gc5         gc5e              gc6    gc6e                 gc7       gc7e                  gc8       gc8e
ga5         ga5e              ga6    ga6e                 ga7       ga7e                  ga8       ga8e
gs5         gs5e              gs6    gs6e                 gs7       gs7e                  gs8       gs8e
gs5-12   gs5e-12      gs6-12    gs6e-12            gs7-12   gs7e-12              gs8-12   gs8e-12

acoustic koa              baby/big baby             solidbody                                  t3/t5
dn-k       dn-ke              bt           bt2               sb1-s        sb2-s                         t3       t3/b
gc-k        gc-ke         bbt                               sb1-sp    sb2-sp           
ga-k       ga-ke                                                     sb1-x      sb2-x               t5-c       t5c-12
gs-k         gs-ke        GS mini                                                                   t5-c1       t5c1-12
                              GS mini                                                                         t5-c2       t5c2-12
                                  GS Mini mahogany                                               t5-c3       t5c3-12
                                                                                                             t5-c4       t5c4-12
                                                                                                             t5-c5       t5c5-12
                                                                                                             t5-x   

then it would mouse over (guitars), click (all guitars), scroll (guitar model index), click (model)
2 clicks & one would arrive at any model
Thanks for your great customer service attitude, it's refreshing to read your posts even though I dislike the new website.
just curious about what you dislike about the new website - information, navigation, features &
if you would happen to have any suggestions regarding any improvements that make it more 'likable'
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