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ahalikias

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Mechanical Seasoning for Acoustic Guitars - does it work?
« on: February 25, 2019, 02:14:38 PM »
Do products like ToneRite or PrimeVibe actually work, i.e. accelerate aging/breaking-in process? Have you used on a high end Taylor?
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Re: Mechanical Seasoning for Acoustic Guitars - does it work?
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2019, 06:39:54 PM »
Soooo...there's a "Search" function here on this site. Put in "Tonerite" or "Primevibe" and you'll see people have been discussing it here (in multiple threads so why start another?) since 2012.

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Re: Mechanical Seasoning for Acoustic Guitars - does it work?
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2019, 10:09:37 PM »
The only thing I know for sure is there is no substitute for simply playing and enjoying your guitar(s) for many, many years.
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Re: Mechanical Seasoning for Acoustic Guitars - does it work?
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2019, 12:22:57 PM »
Soooo...there's a "Search" function here on this site. Put in "Tonerite" or "Primevibe" and you'll see people have been discussing it here (in multiple threads so why start another?) since 2012.

Well, this is a discussion forum rather than an archived repository of all things Taylor related, so, as such, I don't take issue with someone starting a new thread on a topic we've already discussed. It's easy enough to simply avoid a thread I'm not interested in for whatever reason.

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Re: Mechanical Seasoning for Acoustic Guitars - does it work?
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2019, 12:38:55 PM »
Well, this is a discussion forum rather than an archived repository of all things Taylor related, so, as such, I don't take issue with someone starting a new thread on a topic we've already discussed. It's easy enough to simply avoid a thread I'm not interested in for whatever reason.
I agree. The search function is a very nice feature, and  users may like to know that one way to find info  would be to search previous discussions, but  I don't think it is intended that it be a  requirement to check the archives  before you post a comment.

Also, I dont have any experience with these  products , but I would tend to agree with StrummingMadMan's  comment  above.
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ahalikias

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Re: Mechanical Seasoning for Acoustic Guitars - does it work?
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2019, 02:21:20 PM »
Thanks! Here are some newbie thoughts:

- I hadn't even thought of using the Search as a way of reaching archived material, so thank you for the suggestion
- I did use it just now, and the format/comments the Search returned are not easy to follow
- I apologized in advance in an earlier post in case it was a repeat, but I can't be saying so in every post
- It's impractical to be obliged to do research before one can ask a question to the forum
- I'm sure since 2012 there have been product improvements, blogger analyses, Taylor owners with newer experiences of these products, etc, so revisiting a topic may actually be worth doing anyway.
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Re: Mechanical Seasoning for Acoustic Guitars - does it work?
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2019, 02:33:17 PM »
This is one of those topics where if you ask five people, you will get six opinions.   :o 

Some folks swear by the benefits, some hear no difference at all and consider such things a waste of time.  Personally I have not used a Tonerite or other artificial method to "age" my guitars, but I understand the concept.  My guitars would never have been purchased if I were not satisfied with their sound to begin with.  I know this isn't particularly helpful, but that is my experience.

Don't worry about the "search first" comments.  There probably isn't a topic under the sun that has not been discussed multiple times before.  The possible exception is a totally brand new model like the Grand Pacific / x17's.
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Re: Mechanical Seasoning for Acoustic Guitars - does it work?
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2019, 11:17:22 AM »
I respect Ahalikias' question.  Most responders to this post are relative newbies to the forum, as are the majority of responders in general.  Many who have posted in the past have moved on, so some fresh perspective is welcome.   Let's play nice!!!!
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Re: Mechanical Seasoning for Acoustic Guitars - does it work?
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2019, 09:45:02 PM »
Actually I never said there was a requirement to search before posting.  Nor was I suggesting people couldn't add to discussions. Nor was I not playing nice.  In fact,  in my attempt to guide the OP to finding an answer rather than waiting for others ended up with my being attacked here.  Thanks folks!

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Re: Mechanical Seasoning for Acoustic Guitars - does it work?
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2019, 10:27:28 AM »
Actually I never said there was a requirement to search before posting.  Nor was I suggesting people couldn't add to discussions. Nor was I not playing nice.  In fact,  in my attempt to guide the OP to finding an answer rather than waiting for others ended up with my being attacked here.  Thanks folks!

Your original post came off as a bit snarky ("Sooo....") and seemed to indicate that there was no need to start a new thread ("people have been discussing it here (in multiple threads so why start another?)"), so several of us have clarified that there is no problem in starting a new thread. That was only intended to clarify that we are here to discuss things related to Taylor guitars. No offense intended.

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Re: Mechanical Seasoning for Acoustic Guitars - does it work?
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2019, 01:40:33 PM »
Thanks! Here are some newbie thoughts:

- I hadn't even thought of using the Search as a way of reaching archived material, so thank you for the suggestion
- I did use it just now, and the format/comments the Search returned are not easy to follow
- I apologized in advance in an earlier post in case it was a repeat, but I can't be saying so in every post
- It's impractical to be obliged to do research before one can ask a question to the forum
- I'm sure since 2012 there have been product improvements, blogger analyses, Taylor owners with newer experiences of these products, etc, so revisiting a topic may actually be worth doing anyway.

I agree with you 100%. What subject has not been covered at least once? I too find the search function less than ideal.

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Re: Mechanical Seasoning for Acoustic Guitars - does it work?
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2019, 05:36:00 PM »
ok folks, let’s get back on track. it’s hard to gauge emotion over electronic text, so let’s not get too worked about it
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Re: Mechanical Seasoning for Acoustic Guitars - does it work?
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2019, 10:04:37 PM »
Well put Zebow!

I have used Tone-Rites on dozens of guitars. R.Taylors, Custom Taylors, regular Taylors, many other brands, and some custom single bench Luthiers too!

They almost always sound better to me after a good week long vibes session... or sometimes many!
 Koa, Adirondack and other woods that often take a long break in period seem to benefit the most.

I had a Baden that went from meh to WOW in one week.

Some serious high end builders use them and I wager they can hear the difference too!

Try one and see. They don't cost much.

Good luck and Happy picking!

Paul

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Re: Mechanical Seasoning for Acoustic Guitars - does it work?
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2019, 10:33:03 PM »
Well put Zebow!

I have used Tone-Rites on dozens of guitars. R.Taylors, Custom Taylors, regular Taylors, many other brands, and some custom single bench Luthiers too!

They almost always sound better to me after a good week long vibes session... or sometimes many!
 Koa, Adirondack and other woods that often take a long break in period seem to benefit the most.

I had a Baden that went from meh to WOW in one week.

Some serious high end builders use them and I wager they can hear the difference too!

Try one and see. They don't cost much.

Good luck and Happy picking!

Paul

i bet i would like this. i liked the “played in” tone 12 frets give. maybe i’ll try this on my mini lol
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