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fdesalvo

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Re: As guitars age
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2011, 06:24:57 PM »
^  Same to you and your fam!

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Re: As guitars age
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2011, 06:27:45 PM »
but wait, there's more ;)
Michael,

In reference to your "bracing gauge" shown in the photos above..... Is that a Metric finger, a Standard Western finger, or even an English finger gauge? Where can I get one? Is the blue line durable or glow in the dark possibly? Is there a warranty? Excellent tool. Looks like it may even have other uses you are not even mentioning.... :)
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the blue line is kind of sort of like what the NFL uses to mark yardage on tv -
the same, but different & then again not so much (ok, it's nothing like that)
durablity & glow options sold separately - additional shipping & handling fees apply

uhh ... i wish i had a replacement warranty for the digit to the right of it

it is extremely sensitive, meticulously accurate & scientifically calibrated

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Re: As guitars age
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2011, 03:37:27 PM »
Michael,

Thanks for your reply. I thought that was probably the case-that they were sold out or no longer available. I was hoping operators were standing by, and my credit card was ready if they were. No problem, I have set up a search function on eBay and if any used ones come on the market, I will pounce.
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Re: As guitars age
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2011, 09:28:01 PM »
Michael - great pix and very informative, simple way to check to see which bracing a guitar has!

Regarding Aging and or opening up, I think I read that Mark Allen was going to try one of those devices (sorry - the name escapes me) that induces a vibration into the guitar for two weeks and report back with whether or not he saw any effect towards his new guitar opening up. Looking forward to hearing what he finds out.
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Re: As guitars age
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2012, 10:23:53 PM »
hi John,
i believe you're right, that mark is using it on his Koa LTD (ToneRIte) ... cool  8)

i was curious also, if it is recommended to change the strings before or after (or both),
depending on the initial string condition & the amount of time that it is used (& level)
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Re: As guitars age
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2012, 10:38:58 PM »
Bob Taylor says it's the wood aging."Tonerite says it's the strings vibrating. I say it's both.
I send a different one offshore for 28 days w/my older son.He beats the crap out of them,I change strings & he plays his 2004 410ce L7 while he's home(when he's not deer hunting).
That works pretty well for us.
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Re: As guitars age
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2012, 03:41:24 PM »
Time has treated my maple guitar very good. At first when I bought it, it sounded flat when played unplugged. Fast forward two years, it sounds amazingly full and good to my ears unplugged. Age definitely affects the tone.
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Re: As guitars age
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2012, 11:29:05 PM »
Different from wife's (some of them anyway) the guitar gets sweeter as it gets older! :o >:(

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Re: As guitars age
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2012, 08:08:30 AM »
FWIW, the "maturing" of tone is not limited to acoustic guitars or solid wood instruments. I have experienced the same effect with laminated hollowbody and semi-hollowbody guitars as well. I don't know why it happens but I know for a fact that it happened with my ES 175 as well as my ES 335.

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Re: As guitars age
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2012, 09:08:34 AM »
Yes, this thread has certainly generated a lot of interest and rightly so.  I'll add my 2 cents here...I bought a 1995 612c new at that time.  After about three years I noticed a clearly discernible change in its tone.  The bass and low midrange became fuller, it had more punch, and it just sounded better to me.  That guitar is now 17 years old and sounds very nice.  My son has it in Arizona (yes, he knows to keep it well humidified). 

My 2008 RT2 has gradually matured, tone-wise, over the last three years as well.  I have already noticed a change (for the better) in the tone of my new RT2. 

Sad as it is to say, I don't think my playing has improved over the years, so that's not likely a reason for the changes.  I have no idea why this occurs, and other than purely for academic interest, I really don't care.  It is great though that acoustic guitars, at least well-built ones, go through this process.  I'm hanging on to my guitars.  The best is yet to come.

In a recent W&S, Bob Taylor was responding to a question about this very topic - he was talking about people who buy and sell guitars without keeping them long enough for this phenomenon to occur.  He says it takes at least 8 to 10 years for this to really develop.  I tend to use this fact as an excuse to buy new guitars now before I get so old I won't be able to play (or hear) them very well.  I'd insert a smiley emoticon here if I could figure out how.  Any one have any helpful suggestions.....

Bill
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Re: As guitars age
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2012, 05:26:48 PM »
....  I tend to use this fact as an excuse to buy new guitars now before I get so old I won't be able to play (or hear) them very well.  I'd insert a smiley emoticon here if I could figure out how.  Any one have any helpful suggestions.....

Bill

For the desire to buy another guitar or for the emoticon?  :)
...that's a colon with a close parentheses, or use a semicolon for the "wink"  ...I can't help you with the wanting guitars bit ;)

FWIW on the Toneright, I had read in  their literature that it says the owner may need to repeat the application on the guitar.  Wait.  If the vibration is supposed to help "open up" the guitar's fibres etc and mature the tone, then why (or how?!!!) could the guitar revert and require another application???  Sorry.  I remain a skeptic on that device.

Edward
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Re: As guitars age
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2012, 11:00:06 PM »
I'm a believer in the opening up of guitars (especially the bass notes on bright guitars). I have a 1978 Fender acoustic painfully bright that did not change much in 22 years of storage with no playing.  After a couple years of daily playing it got a lot fuller and mellow sounding. I'm deliberately giving my new 414 a bit of strong strumming every day to help it along.  I'm making that box vibrate using a pick, not just some gentle bare finger dabbling.