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krugjr

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Re: Taylor/Martin Question
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2015, 12:11:27 PM »
thanks, guys, these are the kind of responses I was looking for, good stuff.......

Willhubbs.....you said it right, Taylor and Martin are just "different".....as they should be.....Bob Taylor didn't set out to make another Martin clone, he went in an entirely different direction and it has really worked out well.....and I hear ya with the never give up the D28....I've gone through just about every Taylor wood combination, size and shape trying to find that D18/D28 sound... without success...the Ovangkols, the all hogs, the adi tops and several GOs came close, but all came up short.....so I've been asking myself as well...will I sacrifice one of my last two Taylor "gems", or break the "family rule" and add to the collection? first things first, try to find one that speaks to me, and fills that "up tempo strumming" need.....like Gutch said, it can take a while to find just the right one, even within the same model.......and like you mentioned, Will, a lot of strummers swear by the Gibsons.......or even a Guild......

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kdirk16

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Re: Taylor/Martin Question
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2015, 01:01:55 AM »
I sold my 2008 Taylor 814ce and other guitars to help fund my custom martin 000-18ge. I have two other Taylors 818e first edition and a 516e musicians friend edition. I also have two Martins a gpcpa1 and a cst 000-28. And a 2005 Goodall KGCC.

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Re: Taylor/Martin Question
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2015, 07:36:04 AM »
I've sold a few Martins to fund some Taylors. I used to be a dyed in the wool Martin user, but these days, I prefer the more modern Taylor sound for my purposes. I've owned some wonderful Martins over the years, and they remain a great company. If you're looking for more variety in your toolshed, Martin and other manufacturers are definitely worth your consideration. If you end up trading a Taylor in for something you like more, you've done the right thing. Enjoy the journey!
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Re: Taylor/Martin Question
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2015, 10:34:27 AM »
I just remembered reading in Wood & Steel that even Bob Taylor owns Martins. And I guess if you think about it, he actually did sell some Taylors to pay for his Martin.
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Re: Taylor/Martin Question
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2015, 02:11:52 PM »
I just remembered reading in Wood & Steel that even Bob Taylor owns Martins. And I guess if you think about it, he actually did sell some Taylors to pay for his Martin.

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!! I can't stop laughing at this one.  Very true and very clever.  :)
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Re: Taylor/Martin Question
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2015, 02:54:20 PM »
LOL also!!!!!   and thanks, SF, for your usual words of wisdom!
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Re: Taylor/Martin Question
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2015, 02:56:03 PM »
kdirk16.......nice collection....curious, is your 818FE a 2013 or 2014?
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Re: Taylor/Martin Question
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2015, 03:04:45 PM »
Its a 14

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Re: Taylor/Martin Question
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2015, 03:11:46 PM »
The Martin I sold the Taylor for is a custom 000-18ge ambertone from MFG with a low pro neck, cocobolo binding body and neck/headstock, and no pick guard. Hopefully by October.

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Re: Taylor/Martin Question
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2015, 07:47:39 PM »
kdirk16.....the 2014 818 was the last one I let go...hard decision.....NICE custom you have coming!
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Re: Taylor/Martin Question
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2015, 09:39:30 PM »
The funny thing is I'm thinking about selling the Martin gpcpa1 to try to get a 2011 Taylor Fall Limited Cocobolo GA

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Re: Taylor/Martin Question
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2015, 09:42:35 PM »
The 818 is a great guitar, the biggest body guitar I have. Love it!

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Re: Taylor/Martin Question
« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2015, 10:37:23 PM »
Recently sold a Martin rosewood dread.  Loved the tone and neck but it was only four years old and was soon to need a neck reset, IMO.  Since I bought it used and sight unseen (a mistake in hindsight), it would have been on my nickel so I sold it with full disclosure to the buyer.
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Re: Taylor/Martin Question
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2015, 12:08:59 AM »
Earl.....which models did you get rid of? and did you end up with some ovangkol cuz it had "a bit" of that Martin tone.......or not really.....

 The only Martin that I have kept is the custom shop J-40, which is now a great instrument - after a neck reset, bridge relocation, and a bunch of other repairs of factory defects.  That guitar satisfies all of my Martin desires for this lifetime.

Hi Earl, I'm late to this thread as it's been a while since I have been here ... your J40 preference caught me, as I am probably going to sell my HD28 and D18 12-fretters, and the only Martin candidate to fill the openings is a J40. Love these balanced instruments ... got that D28 like sound without the boomy bass, and easier to play than a dread. PLUS, you can pick them up for substantially less on the used market -- kind of a well kept secret. But what is it you like about the J40, and what Taylor do you think fits into that similar vein? You would think the 816 I have, but it doesn't quite have the note separation the J40 has, but it's got the range and thumpy (not boomy) bass, actually better than the Martin.
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Re: Taylor/Martin Question
« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2015, 10:17:09 AM »
I like the big sound and the depth of it, plus the overall balance.  It has a strong fundamental tone with plenty of bass, but still fairly articulate midrange sounds too.  As you said, it gives the D-28 sound but with some decent mids too.  This is a large rosewood / spruce body, now with about 25 years of aging and play time, so it has mellowed nicely.  It's kinda like a smooth scotch - once you know what that is like, most everything else seems rather harsh.  When I was auditioning my first REAL guitar I played a number of stock J-40's in various shops.  The tone grabbed me, plus I am a big guy and the big body seemed to fit me nicely.  I was mostly a fingerpicker in those days, and had a very light touch, so this guitar still produced some decent volume without driving it too hard.  But I thought the stock J-40 was kinda "blingy" so I toned it down a bit when I ordered my CS version.  The back has some really nice rosewood (one of the benefits of going custom shop, at least in those days).  The top started out the same shade as a manilla file folder, but has aged into a nice golden tone by now.

Since discovering Taylor, I have always wished for a guitar with that sound, but with a Taylor neck and playability.  The most comparable Taylor version would be something like an 816 which comes pretty close, especially in the newly re-braced post 2014 version.  The GO models go a bit too far in that direction for my ear, just a touch too bassy.

Now that my J-40 has had a bunch of factory defects corrected by a good repair shop, it plays and intonates better than it ever has - as it should have leaving the factory.  The bridge was in the wrong place originally, and I actually had him move the bridge about 1.5 mm further away, telling him to set it up for medium strings tuned down D-D as the normal use.  The J-40 really sings at that tuning.  I recently experimented with heavy (59-14) strings tuned down further at C-C, so this is guitar has essentially become my "short scale baritone" now.
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