suspicious Taylor 712-C

[Ted @ LA Guitar Sales]

Very sketchy. The seller could have contacted Taylor about the guitar before offering it for sale if he wasn't sure about it.

[Bill Evans]

I wonder how much they paid the person who pawned it? Not a lot, I hope.   Bill

[jjracer]

I have a 95 Dan Creary Signature model, and from a distance it looks like one.  The differences I noted were, truss rod cover is wrong, mine came with grover tuners, the pick guard is too large,
I have two piece high polished back.  The back looks like satin finish and definately does not look like rosewood.

It doesn't appear to be a xx12, looks more like a xx10.

[Tammany Tiger]

to me, it looks like a 91 710c, which had the Dan Crary signature model cutaway contour.

No it doesn't. It is one of the most obvious fakes I have ever seen on eBay. Any comment giving any credence at all to this listing is irresponsible and potentially dangerous to people unfamiliar with Taylor. Why get carried away writing about what it might resemble when it is clearly counterfeit?

[Bill Evans]

to me, it looks like a 91 710c, which had the Dan Crary signature model cutaway contour.

No it doesn't. It is one of the most obvious fakes I have ever seen on eBay. Any comment giving any credence at all to this listing is irresponsible and potentially dangerous to people unfamiliar with Taylor. Why get carried away writing about what it might resemble when it is clearly counterfeit?

I agree! It's a load of rubbish. You can see that from the photos alone. How can the seller (even if not familiar with Taylor guitars) not see that it is absolute crap? I posted a link to the Taylor Guitars Facebook page expressing my concerns, and the Admin removed it without comment. What does that tell you? Hmmm.

[mgap]

Well one thing is for sure, it is not a 712 anything!  It is not a Taylor body.

[Steve]

No it doesn't.

Yeah, it really does...

It is one of the most obvious fakes I have ever seen on eBay.

I've seen far, far worse...

Any comment giving any credence at all to this listing is irresponsible and potentially dangerous to people unfamiliar with Taylor.

Hardly.

The quality of a fake absolutely should be discussed. Not doing so is irresponsible and potentially dangerous to people unfamiliar with Taylor...


Edited for inappropriate content...everyone is free to disagree with a comment, but please do so politely without criticism of someone else. Thank you.

[Steve]

I posted a link to the Taylor Guitars Facebook page expressing my concerns, and the Admin removed it without comment. What does that tell you? Hmmm.

It tells me that they don't want fake Taylors advertised.

What does it tell you?

[Martin]

There are some older Taylors that have that sort of funky cutaway.

http://usedtaylorguitars.com/taylor-710-ltd-1991-model/7069

http://usedtaylorguitars.com/taylor-guitar-710c-limited-edition-crary-cutaway-2/6886

http://usedtaylorguitars.com/taylor-guitar-710c-limited-edition-crary-cutaway-4/8876

http://www.gryphonstrings.com/instpix/37864/37864.php

You can always change out a pickguard and a TRC, but the back of it looks laminated to me (not exactly bookmatched).  I'm assuming that Taylor has always book-matched their non-laminate guitars...right?

[Cindy]

I posted a link to the Taylor Guitars Facebook page expressing my concerns, and the Admin removed it without comment. What does that tell you? Hmmm.

It tells me that they don't want fake Taylors advertised.

What does it tell you?

I posted a general comment once to Taylor's FB page, and it was deleted soon after it was posted. I don't care for FB's new look as it is difficult to easily navigate through all the posts, but please notice that the only time posts seem to be allowed on Taylor's page is as a comment in reference to one of Taylor's posts. New discussions always seem to disappear regardless of the content so I would assume your post would have been removed no matter what you wrote about. This isn't a complaint...I'm just stating what I've noticed to be fact. Perhaps they'd prefer discussions and all other content to be held over here.

[Cindy]

For the record, I edited one post and deleted a couple others that were referencing what I deleted.

[andyi5]

Must admit, changed my mind on this one after seeing some of the pics posted in this thread. Sure it's in the shoddiest condition, with the wrong pickguard, trc etc, and I don't know who's cheap table got sawn up to replace the back... but the top, sides and neck do look like the ancient remnants of a once high quality Dan Crary signature model...!

[michaelw]

to me, it looks like a 91 710c, which had the Dan Crary signature model cutaway contour.

No it doesn't. It is one of the most obvious fakes I have ever seen on eBay. Any comment giving any credence at all to this listing is irresponsible and potentially dangerous to people unfamiliar with Taylor. Why get carried away writing about what it might resemble when it is clearly counterfeit?

Tammany, i am curious exactly how familiar  you are with earlier
Taylor guitars, especially the ones made between 75 to 93

http://usedtaylorguitars.com/taylor-710-ltd-1991-model/7069
http://dancrary.com/guitars.html

the neck is a genuine Taylor neck, as are the top & sides -
the non-standard parts i listed in a previous post & the concerns i brought up were the fact
that the back is not book-matched (it appears to me to be one-piece), the body looks to be
re-bound (with wood, rather than the correct black binding) & the neck alignment appears 'off'

to me, it looks like a 91 710c, which had the Dan Crary signature model cutaway contour
non original truss cover & tuners buttons (especially the small button)
non-original pickguard
'altered, poor condition' ovation case

what would concern me is it looks like the back has been replaced with a single
piece of wood (no centerstrip purfling) & the body looks like it's been re-bound -
in the picture of the back, it looks like the neck heel (cap) is tilted to the right ...

i currently own & have owned, Taylor from this era of production (santee)
as well as lemon grove models, so i am very  familar with the specs & appearance -
this guitar is  correct for a 91 model 710c & upon looking further,
it appears the nut, bridge pins & saddle have been replaced also

granted, the most common 'counterfeited' model i've seen on the internet has been the 710
(serial numbers used started with 1999 & all the rest of the digits being incorrect in # &
check digit designations) - i can't remember if the others were 'modified' ibanez or washburn
guitars, but i have posted about them on another forum in the past ... this guitar is not a 'fake'

a botched repair job, yes, but it is not a counterfeit guitar -
i believe the reason why the FB posts were deleted is that
there was no basis for them to be there on their page & i agree

anyone genuinely interested in the guitar should contact the seller &
refrain from making any further unsubstantiated statements

please feel free to PM me
thank you