Author Topic: What'cha Got v. What To Get -- The Power of G.A.S.  (Read 6860 times)

Gutch

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 545
    • www.davegutshall.com
What'cha Got v. What To Get -- The Power of G.A.S.
« on: March 09, 2012, 01:45:28 PM »
I've been chasing Taylor tone for over 12 years now, buying and selling literally dozens of guitars in that time - Both new and used.  Through the years, I've found a few that really exemplify what I like to hear and see in a guitar.  It has to be both - I've had beautiful ones that didn't trip my trigger in the tone department, and at least one lapse of reason that I can think of that allowed me to sell a Taylor that sounded great but looked like a train wreak (IIRC, it was a 1988-ish 615 where the original owner so over humidified the guitar, the top bowed up and literally shattered the nitro finish.  Of course, that opened the top and she was a cannon!).

Anyway, I'm at a point now where each instrument in the collection is a killer example of that model both tonally and visually.  It's a good thing, right?  Well, yes, until GAS kicks in and a new one comes along that catches your eye.  At what point does G.A.S. diminish your ability to think rationally, allowing to make a big mistake trading one of the prime instruments in the herd simply to get something 'new'?  Can you control yourself?

Do you know "when to say 'when'"?!?

I will admit that I will play this game at least once a month, saying to myself, "Oh, I'll sell this one because I don't play it much anymore...".  Then I'll pull that one out of the case or off the wall (Depending on the time of year), tune it up and play it for 20 minutes or so.  Then I'll really examine it, studying the grain of the woods, the craftsmanship of the build, the geometry of the instrument, and realize that I'm an idiot for even thinking for a minute of selling the guitar.  It's at that point that the urge to buy goes away and GAS heads back into remission for a few more weeks.

Anybody else go through this exercise?

‎"Music is a moral law. It gives soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination, and charm and gaiety to life and to everything."
-- Plato

cjd-player

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 301
  • Near Pittsburgh, PA
Re: What'cha Got v. What To Get -- The Power of G.A.S.
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2012, 03:18:20 PM »
Each of my Taylors serves a specific purpose.   My BTO is my No. 1 and main go-to for my solo fingerstyle music.  My No. 2 is my 312ce kept in DADGAD, both for convenience and because it sounds better than my No. 1 in that tuning.  No. 3 is my 814ce, which was my No. 1, but was replaced because of scale length.  I keep it because it sounds awesome as a combo strummer/fingerstyle, and more recently for Orkney tuning where the longer scale is actually beneficial.   

There are certainly lots of beautiful guitars to catch my eye, but I'm at the point where I will not buy without playing first, and I have yet to find another one that will do better for one of my purposes than what I aleady have.   I've been to several Road Shows and great Taylor dealers, and even passed on an R. Taylor because I'm just very happy with what I have.  No tone chasing for me.
Carl
2010 BTO GC, Redwood on EI Rosewood
2010 312ce, kept in DADGAD
2006 814ce LTD, Sitka on Mad Rosewood
2013 Composite Acoustics OX-Raw

Andromeda

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 115
Re: What'cha Got v. What To Get -- The Power of G.A.S.
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2012, 03:48:22 PM »
It took a while of buying and selling to figure out that the cedar and rosewood combination are what works best for me.
2016 Taylor Custom Cedar-Rosewood GS
2015 Breedlove Discovery Dreadnaught
2012 Alvarez ABT60 Baritone


Namasté

Steve

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 765
    • Steve Parr Photography
Re: What'cha Got v. What To Get -- The Power of G.A.S.
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2012, 04:12:43 PM »
Anybody else go through this exercise?

Dude, I have guitars I haven't seen in eight years...
No one has ever been on their death-bed wishing they'd been more practical...

Scriptor

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 324
  • What His holiness demands, His grace has supplied
    • RickLangdon.com
Re: What'cha Got v. What To Get -- The Power of G.A.S.
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2012, 06:02:54 PM »
but I'm at the point where I will not buy without playing first

This is what I try to live by as well these days ... it used to always be the case in my younger days before the Internet and my introduction to Taylor consistency.  I tried the "this Taylor should work for me on paper" route for 3 guitars and all 3 were eventually sold.  The 2 higher end Taylor's I have today are both ones I picked after test driving a few times and I'm very happy with them.

I still have ideas about what I think I'd like to try in wood combo's but if I hold to the try-before-you-buy rule, I know I will be better off ... that rule can convince me that I like what I already have more or, if the guitar really speaks to me, I can buy with confidence ... the hardest part of this "rule" is trying the find the more uncommon models in the local shops that tend to carry just the best sellers ... there are a couple of shops that will get an interesting piece in every now and then but I find as the economy stays slow, this is more infrequent ...
-- Scriptor

Featured demo: http://www.ricklangdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/58-Weeping-in-Ramah-mix-2.mp3

For more very simple demos of original music recorded with Taylor guitars: http://www.ricklangdon.com

rcoolz

  • New Member
  • *
  • Posts: 31
  • Its all about Jesus Christ !!
Re: What'cha Got v. What To Get -- The Power of G.A.S.
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2012, 06:14:08 PM »
Yes   same here....My buddy has a martin d 16 H... 92 model...It has all  of the specs of the new d 18 vintage model. I have gassed for this from him for several yrs......Yesterday  i proposed a trade deal tgo him ...My 1984 D 35...for his  D 16 H..     He is going to let me know.....Last night  I did the very same   thing that you described .....playing, looking   playing ,  listening   and  Thought  I must be  Crazy to want to do this........ Man  Gas  clogs your JUDGEMENT......... It seems my gas really flares up every  spring      I usually sell something  then buy   something...I sold 2 guitars  this  month  ......HEY   that means  Im behind  and  have to  get  one  !!!   GOT  TO GO   and start the hunt....    rcoolz
1995  Taylor 810.....2003.Taylor 410       1997 Martin.DR,,,,,,,2007  blueridge BR  60,,,,,,1937 Gibson mandolin   Hand made custom mandolin.  from K C uller

Scriptor

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 324
  • What His holiness demands, His grace has supplied
    • RickLangdon.com
Re: What'cha Got v. What To Get -- The Power of G.A.S.
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2012, 06:32:29 PM »
I sold 2 guitars  this  month  ......HEY   that means  Im behind  and  have to  get  one  !!!   GOT  TO GO   and start the hunt....    rcoolz

Slacker!   8) ... yeah, it's 1 out, 1 in man ... get with it ...
-- Scriptor

Featured demo: http://www.ricklangdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/58-Weeping-in-Ramah-mix-2.mp3

For more very simple demos of original music recorded with Taylor guitars: http://www.ricklangdon.com

S MS Picker

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 412
Re: What'cha Got v. What To Get -- The Power of G.A.S.
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2012, 07:17:55 PM »
I keep looking for one that sounds & plays like the 93ish 510 that Katrina killed.I can make them play , but the sound's just not right no matter what I do to them. The 99 414 that Taylor did the neck reset on is really,really close ; as is the 2011 412ce.
Steve
"99 414
2000 410Ce
"05 214
"06 410CE (short scale)
"10 814CE-LTD(fall)
"11 414CE-LTD(fall)
"11 412CE
"12 Custom GS  Adi/Hog

 -other-
"12 Eastman E20D
"? Silvertone (Sears) 2 lipstick tube PU electric

Tammany Tiger

  • Guest
Re: What'cha Got v. What To Get -- The Power of G.A.S.
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2012, 08:28:53 PM »
Well, as we used to say in the last century, it has been a long strange ride for me. When I first started playing a little under ten years ago I lived in a perpetual gaseous environment and went through many, many guitars trying to find the right fit, right tone, right vibe. I had begun to settle down when I started focusing on Taylor and had a smaller scale repeat of perpetual Taylor GAS.

Once I figured out the Taylor line and hit stride as a marginally competent guitarist, I left all that  behind. I still enjoy the hunt and some variety but now days I have my "keeper for life" (at least for the past four years part of my life),  a guitar that complments the "lifer" and that might qualify for that exalted spot one day, and a third guitar that is whatever pleases me at the moment, usually a used piece that I can sell for a profit. The first two spots are a GA Limited Maple that is my do everything guitar. The second spot is a BTO all mahogany GC that is a different fit, different sound, different feel for finger work and vocal accompaniment. The third guitar right now is an electric that is starting to bore me and likely will go on to EBay soon.

I am pretty resolved about putting no more new money into the herd unless it is from an unexpected gift or work bonus and I keep a separate "guitar only" bank account thor that purpose. Since I adopted this policy I find myself playing more, enjoying the avocation more and feeling better about my personal economy.
« Last Edit: March 09, 2012, 08:31:12 PM by Tammany Tiger »

silvereagle48

  • New Member
  • *
  • Posts: 14
Re: What'cha Got v. What To Get -- The Power of G.A.S.
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2012, 02:14:37 PM »
Anybody else go through this exercise?

Dude, I have guitars I haven't seen in eight years...
Geesh, thought I was the only one!!
hoffman j, taylor bto ga, taylor bto jumbo 12 string, huss and dalton custom 00-sp, huss and dalton custom ds 12 fret, cole-clark fl3ac, martin hd-28-2r, larrivee om-05

Strumming Fool

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12412
  • Christi simus non nostri
Re: What'cha Got v. What To Get -- The Power of G.A.S.
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2012, 08:41:51 AM »
G.A.S. comes in all different shapes and flavors. The guitars in my signature are the result of many years of searching, with so many guitars come and gone (including Martin, Santa Cruz, Lowden and Larrivee among others, along with a few Taylors of other shapes - GC, GS and jumbo). In fact, two of the guitars below were put up for sale in search of the "holy grail". Fortunately, I came to my senses and kept both. I'm fairly certain that these five are here to stay, although I can still see a couple more GAs in my future!
My Taylor Grand Auditoriums:

1997 Cujo14 - old growth cedar/black walnut
2014 K24e - master grade koa
2018 Custom GA - bear claw sitka spruce/mahogany
2019 614 - torrified sitka spruce/flamed maple
2020 714 - lutz spruce/rosewood

Go Navy

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 248
  • Northern California
Re: What'cha Got v. What To Get -- The Power of G.A.S.
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2012, 11:24:03 AM »
It took a while of buying and selling to figure out that the cedar and rosewood combination are what works best for me.

Andromeda, you made my day/week/month/year.....that's the combo I have on order for my first Taylor!
Guild Manhattan X-175 (1976)
Ibanez GB10 George Benson 1980
2012 Taylor 812ce Cedar

jjracer

  • New Member
  • *
  • Posts: 38
Re: What'cha Got v. What To Get -- The Power of G.A.S.
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2012, 03:11:28 PM »
I have a few taylors that I am pleased with.  Although,  I am very curious about the new 700 series with the Engelmann/rosewood combo and the burst looks great in the photos. 

I am headed for Nashville in a couple of weeks and Gruhn is on my list of places to stop.  I sold a guitar last night but not sure the wife will let me bring one home until I thin the heard a little more.  But she is up for checking out Gruhn.
 
As far as gas goes.  I am pretty much set for guitars, but am always looking just nothing has set me off as one of those "can't live without guitars"
Guitars? Yes still have them
If I'm not here....... I am somewhere else

michaelw

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3593
  • with more frivolous trivia than most infomercials
    • i agree with Fred
Re: What'cha Got v. What To Get -- The Power of G.A.S.
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2012, 07:05:31 PM »
Gruhn had some really cool GAce Customs -
adi/eirw with adi bracing, maple binding &
600 series pearl inlay fretmarkers, but ...
that was a good year ago, if not longer :(

should still be a cool place to check out, though :D
it's not about what you play,
it's all about why you play ...

support indie musicians
https://www.patreon.com/sidecarjudy
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-jessica-malone-music-project#/

beachbum205

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 211
  • <><
Re: What'cha Got v. What To Get -- The Power of G.A.S.
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2012, 08:43:16 PM »
I hear ya.  My GAS has often been fueled by the idea that even if I like what I have, there is something better out there just around the corner that I will like even more.  This may be sort of like the gambling addict who thinks the next winning bet is just about to happen.

So, for example- I loved the Martin D-18 I was playing- so I figured that I would really love a D-28.  This turned out not to be the case at all for me, should have never sold the D-18.  Same with Taylor- moving up the 1, 2, 3, 4... Series ladder.

OTOH, I have met some great people over the years that I have bought/ sold/ traded with.  So while I have probably spent a small fortune and in the process, kept Brown in business over the years, I have had a lot of fun, met some great people, and played a whole bunch of great guitars.  So how's that for a rationalization!

GAS- a cruel master....  :)
« Last Edit: March 12, 2012, 08:44:50 PM by beachbum205 »
8) Beachbum
Taylor 510e
Taylor 150e
Martin D-35


<>< Psalm 33.3