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hacknsmack

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ES2 adjustment?
« on: November 15, 2019, 11:00:57 PM »
Hi all!! Forgive me if this has been "asked and answered", but...
I just picked up a "Custom" 414ce, v-class w/ES2. Absolutely fell in love with the guitar playing it acoustic. Had to have it. Spent the money.
The issue: I play out solo (rarely), as a duo, and as a 4 pc. I have been bringing this guitar to the solo and duo gigs but, to get any volume at all thru it I have to crank it at the board, on the guitar and on my BBE Acoustimax (DI) to get any volume out of it. I don't have this issue on my '16 810 with ES2, my '98 310 with (upgraded) ES1.8 or my 96 410 with the Fishman. Is there a pot or something on the preamp board I can "dial up" or do I need to replace my ES2 or...???
Thanks!!
Rick
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Re: ES2 adjustment?
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2019, 05:52:15 AM »
Hello,
I was in a situation where the saddle was not sitting deep enough, resulting in a much lower output.  The three sensors should make full contact with your saddle.  If the saddle is not at full depth for any reason, the sensors will not fully touch it.
After adjusting this I had a much louder output on my ES2 214CE CF DLX.
Hope this helps.
Kr,
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hacknsmack

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Re: ES2 adjustment?
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2019, 11:50:06 AM »
Thanks!
I have seen the link to the adjust the sensors on the saddle if that is what you are talking about. I am a little leery of trying it, but I may give it a go. Other option is a legit Taylor shop who know what they are doing as opposed to having a great tech (which I do) who will have to look it up and experiment.
Rick
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Re: ES2 adjustment?
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2019, 06:55:11 PM »
If you have the correct Allen key it’s easy. Back off the screws counter clockwise maybe one full turn. Then tighten until you feel the sensor touch the saddle. That way you can verify that the pickup should be ‘hearing’ string vibrations. If it’s still not giving you a strong signal try a fresh battery. If still no improvement,  take it to a Taylor repair center. Good luck!
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Re: ES2 adjustment?
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2019, 11:52:28 AM »
Thanks! I certainly have the correct Allen wrench (somewhere) as well as having a lot of experience performing fine adjustments using Allen wrenches (and screwdrivers and hammers...    ;D  )
Maybe I'll give it a go as I have already swapped batteries.
Rick
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Re: ES2 adjustment?
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2025, 06:19:34 PM »
Bumping a necro thread....but I wonder if i just bought this guys guitar?

I just bought a 2018 414ce....and the volume difference between it and my Taylor T5 (which this is supposed to replace) is HUGE.  I have to bring the gain up considerably on my Fishman Loudbox artist amp to hear anything.   The tone and volume control is much more tweakable than this guitar.   I adjusted the piezo screws and it made a little differnce..but not enough to make up the HUGE difference between this and my T5.

I just got it today so I'm trying to decide if this is enough of an issue to send it back or not.  Or if anyone knows of anything else I can try.

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Re: ES2 adjustment?
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2025, 09:56:58 PM »
Hey there,

Know that various amps, consoles, active DIs etc have different input sensitivity, so it will vary for whatever you're plugging into.  Also that the T5 is wholly different animal so apples/oranges there.  And and yes the ES2 is a bit of a low signal so the input gain (like on a mixer) does have to get a bit hot.  That said, it is still well within the range of "no issues."  Verify that all three knobs are at their detent, 12:00.

1. Since you already have the .050" allen wrench, loosen them and be certain your saddle is sitting flush into its slot.  With the piezos loose, you can pull the saddle out easily without effort.  So when you set it back in, just be certain it's sitting in there squarely.
2. Now tighten each allen screw "just a bit" so there is slight bit of tension, not more, just a little is all.  With all three situated thus, your saddle should  be held in by the piezos and not drop free out of its slot.
3. Now plug in and adjust each piezo tension screw.  Preferred is if you can listen through headphones as you can discern much more clearly the volume difference as you tighten/loosen each screw (which adjusts pairs of strings, naturally).  If you're not setup for headphones, then plug in and set your amp's volume reasonably high and hear it from across the room (only so you don't feedback under the volume) as you're trying to hear the pickup and not the guitar's top.  Adjust the screws to get your max volume.  Caution: too tight and you'll get not just volume but a harsh, brittle timbre at the top end.  You'll hear it, which is your cue to back off the screw a hair.

If this doesn't give you enough gain for your Loudbox then you may have a legit issue with your preamp.  Chime back in with waht you learn. :)

Edward
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Re: ES2 adjustment?
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2025, 10:47:23 PM »
Hey there,

Know that various amps, consoles, active DIs etc have different input sensitivity, so it will vary for whatever you're plugging into.  Also that the T5 is wholly different animal so apples/oranges there.  And and yes the ES2 is a bit of a low signal so the input gain (like on a mixer) does have to get a bit hot.  That said, it is still well within the range of "no issues."  Verify that all three knobs are at their detent, 12:00.

1. Since you already have the .050" allen wrench, loosen them and be certain your saddle is sitting flush into its slot.  With the piezos loose, you can pull the saddle out easily without effort.  So when you set it back in, just be certain it's sitting in there squarely.
2. Now tighten each allen screw "just a bit" so there is slight bit of tension, not more, just a little is all.  With all three situated thus, your saddle should  be held in by the piezos and not drop free out of its slot.
3. Now plug in and adjust each piezo tension screw.  Preferred is if you can listen through headphones as you can discern much more clearly the volume difference as you tighten/loosen each screw (which adjusts pairs of strings, naturally).  If you're not setup for headphones, then plug in and set your amp's volume reasonably high and hear it from across the room (only so you don't feedback under the volume) as you're trying to hear the pickup and not the guitar's top.  Adjust the screws to get your max volume.  Caution: too tight and you'll get not just volume but a harsh, brittle timbre at the top end.  You'll hear it, which is your cue to back off the screw a hair.

If this doesn't give you enough gain for your Loudbox then you may have a legit issue with your preamp.  Chime back in with waht you learn. :)

Edward

Thank you so much for the detailed explaination.  I really appreciate it.   I'll give this a try.  I really appreciate the knowledge that these guitars maybe are a bit lower in gain overall.  That helps.

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Re: ES2 adjustment?
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2025, 06:12:52 PM »
How close to a qualified Taylor Repair are you?  I would figure out how to get it to one…

I am fortunate to live close to the El Cajon campus, but someone GOOD may be close to you.

Call Taylor and ask.  Talk to someone in the Repair center, not a phone drone…

Numerous threads on this on Acoustic Guitar Forum if you can’t find a tech.

Best on the quest

Paul