Author Topic: Are Taylors the Equal of Luthier-Made Instruments?  (Read 11110 times)

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Re: Are Taylors the Equal of Luthier-Made Instruments?
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2014, 03:50:18 PM »
As far as wine, I have always said, "Trust no wine that doesn't have a top you can screw back on the bottle!"  Clearly, I am not a wine connoisseur though I can certainly put it away as well as the next guy :)
So you would not be caught with a box in the refrigerator?  Are you not being a little bit snobbish? :o

sort of like a Dean guitar
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Re: Are Taylors the Equal of Luthier-Made Instruments?
« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2014, 03:56:04 PM »
As far as wine, I have always said, "Trust no wine that doesn't have a top you can screw back on the bottle!"  Clearly, I am not a wine connoisseur though I can certainly put it away as well as the next guy :)
So you would not be caught with a box in the refrigerator?  Are you not being a little bit snobbish?

Many fine wines now come with screw caps, BTW. I do draw the line at boxed wine.  Oh, what the heck, lets have some boxed wine Sant'gria
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'10 Froggy Bottom "C" Adi/Brazilian   
'11 TAYLOR BTO GC 12-fret sinker/EIR.  
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Re: Are Taylors the Equal of Luthier-Made Instruments?
« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2014, 12:46:49 AM »
Too many generalities! but I side with Michael.  Frankly I don't share all this concern about how many were built or by whom or even all that much about appearance. Neither does Willy, apparently. Buy a guitar with your eyes closed.  Use your ears.  Will it do what you want musically? BTW the purpose of my 414 is to accompany my voice singing ballads to my wife in the living room.  It works perfect for that according to her. It was affordable (not like so many boutique guitars). I don't think I even looked at the Ovangkol back until I got it home (it's very nice if you care about that stuff). If I play for friends I don't point out the appearance of the wood. I want them to focus on my music. Nice thread though thanks.
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Re: Are Taylors the Equal of Luthier-Made Instruments?
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2014, 11:31:50 AM »
For some of us, an awesome playing guitar is all we need.  Others not only play, but collect as well. Amongst the collectors, some seek a personal "holy grail" guitar that transcends playability, tone attributes and esthetics and becomes something more than the sum of the parts.  So "equal" or "better" is entirely subjective.
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'10 Froggy Bottom "C" Adi/Brazilian   
'11 TAYLOR BTO GC 12-fret sinker/EIR.  
'14 Alvarez Baritone Sitka/Mahogany
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Re: Are Taylors the Equal of Luthier-Made Instruments?
« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2014, 12:04:07 PM »
Great thread. For my playing ability, a stock, off the shelf Taylor is about all I need. Now, what I want is a different story. I'm in contact with a luthier and am in the planning stages of building my dream GS-mini size guitar.
14 fret
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1 3/4 nut width
Cut away
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Koa or spruce top. can't decide yet
Going to be very plane jane, but awsome wood.
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Re: Are Taylors the Equal of Luthier-Made Instruments?
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2014, 02:16:15 PM »
Great thread. For my playing ability, a stock, off the shelf Taylor is about all I need. Now, what I want is a different story. I'm in contact with a luthier and am in the planning stages of building my dream GS-mini size guitar.
14 fret
24 inch scale
1 3/4 nut width
Cut away
Flamey koa back and sides
Koa or spruce top. can't decide yet
Going to be very plane jane, but awsome wood.

What do you plan on as far as bracing goes?  Slot head or paddle head?
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Re: Are Taylors the Equal of Luthier-Made Instruments?
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2014, 07:30:42 PM »
"Great thread. For my playing ability, a stock, off the shelf Taylor is about all I need."

For my ability a stock, off the shelf Yamaha FG700 is fine!  But that's a different issue… :)

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Re: Are Taylors the Equal of Luthier-Made Instruments?
« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2014, 04:07:05 PM »
From the R. Taylor website:

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There’s no question that fervent attention to detail yields a superior guitar. One strum is all it takes to reveal it. Even one look promises that you’re in for something good. Welcome to R. Taylor Guitars.

Housed on the campus of Taylor Guitars, five craftsmen work to build a handful of guitars each week. Each luthier has a minimum of ten years experience at Taylor, and each possesses the skill and the will to bring a guitar to life in a special way that cannot normally be done. Starting with the finest woods available in the world, we thoughtfully lay out the parts, weigh and measure, and design a plan, drawing upon our depths of experience. What top geometry or bracing alteration will work on this striped ebony back and sides? How do we work with cocobolo to fashion a fingerstyle instrument for one customer and a strummer for another? This is what we do with each of the three hundred or so guitars we will make in a year. The extra attention to detail means a lot more labor hours spent on each guitar. But we believe it’s worth it. We’re confident you will, too.

- Bob Taylor

I think it's apples and oranges to try and compare Taylors to boutique small-shop/luthier instruments. Tone is subjective, as are personal tastes in appointments and aesthetics. That being said, when you look at what Bob was trying to do with R. Taylor and what he has said in the past about Collings, it would seem that even he would agree that a smaller team of skilled craftsmen might produce better results. Are there exceptions? Absolutely. Are the results going to directly correlate to price paid or time spent on a waiting list? I don't think so. But I do think there's a difference, even if it's negligible for some.

I'm fortunate enough to own both a Taylor and a luthier-built instrument. My Taylor is a humble early 210. It punches far above its weight and price point -- to the point where I've only played only one other Taylor I'd rather own. It has a rich, balanced tone and is incredibly versatile. I also own a Fairbanks F-35 -- an homage to the late '30s Gibson J-35. As expected, it sounds completely different. It's dry and dark and woody and has that beautiful Gibson-esque thumping bass. It's also incredibly versatile.

They're both great guitars and I love them for different reasons. But I admit I have really fallen in love with the featherweight hide-glue construction and beautiful hand-applied sunburst of the Fairbanks. I think either of those aspects of my guitar would be tough to achieve en masse from a larger builder. I might be wrong. But at the very least, there's something very cool about a hand-made guitar. It's very much in line with the whole "maker movement" that has become so popular in recent years as a response to the the tech industry (and, ironically, often by people from tech).

That's not to say that I don't love what Taylor is doing and their methodology. I think it's awesome. I love what the company does and what they stand for. And I'm sure I'll end up with another of their guitars before it's all said and done. I also think that bringing on a "boutique luthier" of their own is going to make Taylor that much better going forward.

Fact of the matter is -- apart from it being apples and oranges -- that there's never been a better time to be a guitar player. There are so many choices and the quality of guitars coming from big brands, luthiers' workshops, and everywhere inbetween is simply remarkable.
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Re: Are Taylors the Equal of Luthier-Made Instruments?
« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2014, 04:29:13 PM »
As the guy who started this thread (now 537 views later), let me say that I agree with ataylor's perspective.  Well reasoned and well put.  Nothing can replace a hand made instrument.
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