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Who should Taylor do a signature model for next?
« on: February 10, 2012, 01:02:15 AM »
Personally I think they should get together with Sam Beam (Iron and Wine) and let him pick out some specs for a signature model. I've seen him play a variety of Taylors and little else and I think he dispels the notion that you can't get a good folksy, vintage tone out of a Taylor.

Who would your vote be for?
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Re: Who should Taylor do a signature model for next?
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2012, 07:14:03 AM »
If they want to sell big they do a Taylor Swift signature series Koa.  They would sell a bunch.  I would love a Zac Brown signature (like the one Bob built custom for him).

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Re: Who should Taylor do a signature model for next?
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2012, 09:40:17 AM »
I recall, some time ago, talk about a possible Tommy Shaw model.

I don't know that a Taylor Swift model would be as big a seller as people think. Buying a TSBT is a no-brainer; couple of hundred bucks. But when you start talking about high-grade Koa, it would be a different story. As a guy in his late 40's, if I had a choice between a Taylor Swift Signature Model GS (for instance) or a K26ce with upgraded woods, I'm going for the upgraded woods and leaving the "Taylor Swift" off of it...
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Re: Who should Taylor do a signature model for next?
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2012, 10:01:01 AM »
Marketing-wise, I don't think it's a particularly good idea to take the name from a very low-end product and put it on a high-end one.

But I have to say that I'm not a big fan of Taylor's sig models, since I don't really want some artist's personal message or symbols on my guitar.  Unless I'm wrong, in most cases Taylor makes a signature guitar by taking an existing model and allowing an artist to gussy it up, so the guitar is really only different cosmetically.  The Leo Kottke models seem to be the exceptions.  I'd love to see artists design the guitar from the ground up -- different woods, scale lengths, appointments -- and leave off the personal messages.  The guitars would be designed more along the lines of limited edition models than taking existing guitars and applying superficial changes to them.
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Re: Who should Taylor do a signature model for next?
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2012, 10:14:14 AM »
I'd love to see artists design the guitar from the ground up -- different woods, scale lengths, appointments -- and leave off the personal messages.

Doyle did something much like that. His guitar had the depth of a GC, but a width of a GA, as well as (after time) a short-scale neck...

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The guitars would be designed more along the lines of limited edition models than the way the program works now.

How does the program work now?

From what I can tell, Signature Models are certainly destined to be more limited, as they're not even shown in the catalog this year...
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Re: Who should Taylor do a signature model for next?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2012, 10:36:54 AM »
Well I'm available....
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Re: Who should Taylor do a signature model for next?
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2012, 11:01:59 AM »
The thing that always irked me about signature models is that, more often than not, the artists for who their named don't play them, nor did they make their name playing them.

Dave Matthews didn't spend is time on stage all those years with a guitar inlaid with "GRUX" on the fretboard. I understand why it was done, but the guitar simply doesn't share the same specs as the ones Dave played on stage while making a name for himself. That said, Taylor sold a bunch of them, but I think those guitars probably went to people who were fans of Dave Matthews as opposed to people who wanted a guitar with the same specs as Dave's.

I was backstage once with Eric Johnson. His Strat was laying there in an open case, and I asked him why he wasn't playing an "Eric Johnson Signature Model". His response was "Because this one is my guitar".

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Re: Who should Taylor do a signature model for next?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2012, 11:57:19 AM »
I would love a Zac Brown signature (like the one Bob built custom for him).

Good call, that would probably be a popular model.

I don't know that a Taylor Swift model would be as big a seller as people think. Buying a TSBT is a no-brainer; couple of hundred bucks. But when you start talking about high-grade Koa, it would be a different story. As a guy in his late 40's, if I had a choice between a Taylor Swift Signature Model GS (for instance) or a K26ce with upgraded woods, I'm going for the upgraded woods and leaving the "Taylor Swift" off of it...

I think Taylor missed an opportunity by not doing a copy of her glittery model in a 100/200 series type range. That's what she was iconic for at the time and I bet that would have been more likely to get younger girls into the Taylor fold than a baby. At this point I think a GS Mini would be a perfect Taylor Swift signature since it's more like what she plays on stage.

Marketing-wise, I don't think it's a particularly good idea to take the name from a very low-end product and put it on a high-end one.

Not sure what you're getting at here.

I'd love to see artists design the guitar from the ground up -- different woods, scale lengths, appointments -- and leave off the personal messages.  The guitars would be designed more along the lines of limited edition models than taking existing guitars and applying superficial changes to them.

That's kind of what I was inferring -- letting an artist essentially do a BTO and doing a limited run signature model.

The thing that always irked me about signature models is that, more often than not, the artists for who their named don't play them, nor did they make their name playing them.

I agree with this to a point -- I think there needs to be some kind of connection. For example, I'd be more likely to buy a James Taylor signature Gibson J-50 than one of his Olsen guitars. Because even though he's been playing the Olsens for a while now, to me, JT's signature sound is a J-50. But for fans of his later work, the opposite would be true as well. I think my Iron and Wine example is valid because he's been playing Taylors for a while now and that's what I associate him with when I think of the guitars he plays.

Dave Matthews didn't spend is time on stage all those years with a guitar inlaid with "GRUX" on the fretboard. I understand why it was done, but the guitar simply doesn't share the same specs as the ones Dave played on stage while making a name for himself. That said, Taylor sold a bunch of them, but I think those guitars probably went to people who were fans of Dave Matthews as opposed to people who wanted a guitar with the same specs as Dave's.

I think this is definitely true, there is a fan aspect that goes along with the guitar, which is kind of the point of a signature model, I guess. :)
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Re: Who should Taylor do a signature model for next?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2012, 01:53:45 PM »
I think Taylor missed an opportunity by not doing a copy of her glittery model in a 100/200 series type range. That's what she was iconic for at the time and I bet that would have been more likely to get younger girls into the Taylor fold than a baby.

Well, the Taylor Swift Baby has sold ridiculously well.

As for the glittery model, Taylor would've sold, to borrow a ceratin VP's phrase, "tens of them".

The 214 sells for about $XXX.00. A 114 sells for $XXX.00. Now, gussy it up with fake Swarovski bedazzles, and the prices go up. Taylor Swift's guitar is a GS8, so you'd have to go with a 214 to get the Rosewood. How many Moms and Dads are going to drop that kinda' money, on a guitar like that, so their little girl can get into the "Taylor fold"?

Spare few, I would think...



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Re: Who should Taylor do a signature model for next?
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2012, 01:59:16 PM »
Well, the Taylor Swift Baby has sold ridiculously well.

As for the glittery model, Taylor would've sold, to borrow a ceratin VP's phrase, "tens of them".

The 214 sells for about $XXX.00. A 114 sells for $XXX.00. Now, gussy it up with fake Swarovski bedazzles, and the prices go up. Taylor Swift's guitar is a GS8, so you'd have to go with a 214 to get the Rosewood. How many Moms and Dads are going to drop that kinda' money, on a guitar like that, so their little girl can get into the "Taylor fold"?

Spare few, I would think...

Good points.



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Re: Who should Taylor do a signature model for next?
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2012, 03:09:33 PM »
I always thought it'd be cool if James Taylor played a Taylor.

Maybe Jewel? Doesn't she play Taylor exclusively? And Katy Perry too.

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Re: Who should Taylor do a signature model for next?
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2012, 03:35:15 PM »
I always thought it'd be cool if James Taylor played a Taylor.

Maybe Jewel? Doesn't she play Taylor exclusively? And Katy Perry too.

Back in the day when Taylor had an extensive "Artists Who Play Taylor" list -- none of them really endorsers, but performing and recording artists who had purchased a Taylor at some point -- I'm pretty sure James Taylor was on it. He's seen almost exclusively with his Olsens these days, but I'm almost positive he's owned or still owns a Taylor.

I want to say Jewel already had a signature model at one point. I could be wrong though.
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Re: Who should Taylor do a signature model for next?
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2012, 04:01:44 PM »
I want to say Jewel already had a signature model at one point. I could be wrong though.

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Re: Who should Taylor do a signature model for next?
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2012, 08:17:41 PM »
I recall, some time ago, talk about a possible Tommy Shaw model.

I don't know that a Taylor Swift model would be as big a seller as people think. Buying a TSBT is a no-brainer; couple of hundred bucks. But when you start talking about high-grade Koa, it would be a different story. As a guy in his late 40's, if I had a choice between a Taylor Swift Signature Model GS (for instance) or a K26ce with upgraded woods, I'm going for the upgraded woods and leaving the "Taylor Swift" off of it...

I disagree on both counts.

Not a whole lot of people know who Tommy Shaw is anymore (yes I do and I do like his music alot). I don't think that would do much of anything.

TS signature Koa would be a good seller.  It would sell every bit as much as a Dave Matthews or at least would have a year or so ago.  Taylor missed a huge opportunity on that one although I would guess they made as much money selling the baby Ts.  Many of the little girls that follow her now play guitars (mainly because of her) and many of those little girls have parents that have a good amount of $$$$.  Pretty easy equation in my book.

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Re: Who should Taylor do a signature model for next?
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2012, 09:05:10 PM »
Many of the little girls that follow her now play guitars (mainly because of her) and many of those little girls have parents that have a good amount of $$$$.  Pretty easy equation in my book.

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Really?

Most of the people I know who have "$$$$" have it because they don't do silly things like buying their little girls $5,000.00 guitars.

And, make no mistake, that's in the ballpark of what an all Koa Taylor Swift GS or Jumbo would cost...
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