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Louis

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La-Braggs venue Di
« on: April 05, 2016, 09:29:35 PM »
I bought the Gibson Guitar course , as a real good deal . but any way some along where along the way there is a section where he talkes about sound effect boxes and such and says every studio he goes to In Nashville every acoustic player runs a processor La- Bragges DI .I posted on the Gibson site forum and one guy answered and said its night and day different .Last month I was at Guitar World in Pheonix and I seen one but I kinda want to get more opinions till its - here we go again with the Visa card .Twice lately  I've been burned with with this "ya it's good "then was lucky enough to get my money back .One was the Digiteck Trio and the others was beat buddy ,then I bought this Zoom effects contraption that was also not for me. Just figured I'd see here if any one has experience with it .
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Re: La-Braggs venue Di
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2016, 11:27:49 PM »
I'm pretty lazy when it comes to sound equipment. My ES 1.3 Taylor, and ES 2 Taylor, I run straight to an acoustic amp, and can adjust to a satisfying sound. Another Taylor has a K&K pickup. I also have a couple of ukes with MI-SI pickups. Those instruments I run thru a DI box. Not a Baggs, but about the same abilities. The pre-amp DI box tames the piezo quack, and the difference is night and day. Out of my electric instruments, I'm most happy with the sound of the K&K equipped GS-Mini through a Behringer ADI-21.
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Re: La-Braggs venue Di
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2016, 08:31:24 AM »
I've owned a Venue, which I absolutely did not like.  i had it when I had the LR Baggs Lyric pickup in my old GS8 and also tried to use with my 514 with an ES2 in it.  The reason I didn't like it is that it seemed to make my naturally toned acoustics sound somewhat electric and processed.

It's highly possible I had one with some sort of internal problem, and I never had the chance to try any others Venues to see if there was something wrong with mine.  I've read other posts where many Taylor owners actually really liked the Venue, so it's possible mine was faulty.  But the one I had, I sold, because I just didn't like it.

Now the DI I think is the absolute best with the ES2, by far, is the K&K XLR Preamp DI.  It makes the ES2 sound PHENOMENAL in my view.
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Louis

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Re: La-Braggs venue Di
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2016, 12:21:36 PM »
Umm ok I just seen it on Amazon , never heard of it till now -it's seems to be priced about the same as a Braggs
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Re: La-Braggs venue Di
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2016, 12:56:44 PM »
The K&K seems to preserve the girth of tone of the ES2 while removing some of the boominess and giving some extra sparkle while not being too bright.  That's the best way I can explain it.  It has the same effect on K&K's own Pure Mini Pickup, which in my view, the ES2 comes pretty close in sound to...closer to it than any other pickup I've heard...but I would encourage you to try both the Venue and the K&K before buying, if you can find a place to try them out :)
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Re: La-Braggs venue Di
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2016, 01:51:38 PM »
Sounds like a plan , I'll do that when I run into Calgary ,Thanks
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Re: La-Braggs venue Di
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2016, 12:31:49 AM »
Hi Louis,

May I suggest that the "features" that you want in a good DI unit is not "effects" of any kind, but clean, transparent signal that offers useful tone shaping such that it enhances what goes in so that it what comes out sounds better.  Thus, a good DI processor does not color tone; it takes what you give it (from your pickup system) and gives you the ability to shape it without adding its own flavor.

Therefore, the best acoustic DI units will:
- not color your tone whatsoever when all knobs are set flat.
- be dead quiet; as in not add one iota of anything audible
- offer useful fixed tone frequencies, as well as sweep EQs where you set the parameter

Anything beyond these are, IMHO, a different discussion since a good DI should shape its incoming tone, not remake its tone altogether.  Thus, as in the computing world, garbage in-garbage out.  A good DI can help a sucky pickup sound more tolerable, but it ain't gonna offer miracles.  And this same good DI will take a decent-to-good pickup and help it sound stellar in a house mix.  I can offer my opinions about what "effects" I use in my chain, but those are mere salt and pepper to the DI, the most critical piece in assuring you send good tone to the console.

I can tell you that without doubt or equivocation, in my modest experience, the Baggs Venue as well as the Radial (can't remember which model) are stellar units that fulfill the three criteria I had mentioned. They can't polish a turd (though can delete some of its stank ;) ), but do serious wonders in offering the user the ability to shape an already decent incoming acoustic-guitar signal into a better tone that sounds like the bona-fide acoustic guitar that really shines is a house mix.  BTW, the Baggs PADI is a likewise excellent DI that simply offers slightly narrower tonal parameters than the Venue, but still at its core sounds brilliant.

The real test of a good DI is:
- set it flat, put your guitar through it, and turn it up (good PA, not an amp since most amps except the best pricey ones will add their own tone).  A-B the tone with and w/o the DI unit, and check for dead quiet and zero change in what you hear.
- now dial in some knobs and see if they offer you usable tone-shaping ability.  You either like what you hear, or turning the knobs fail to make you smile.
- any discussion of what pickup system really just confuses the issue: some sound good, others less so.  So those that feel theirs sound best, well that may be true only for their pickups, and most of all their ears.  And IMHO the ES1.2 and 1.3 are superb units that sound natural from the get go, and genuinely excellent through a well-EQ'd DI.  I have very limited experience with the ES2 so cannot comment in confidence, except to say that given its core tone I heard, I have no doubt that the three aforementioned DIs can shape its tone w/o issue.

And for clarity, I have used the Baggs PADI for many years with great success.  And in the last maybe 6-ish years had gone to the Venue (not so much for sonic reasons that were lacking in the PADI but more for other features), and the Venue is drop-dead indispensable.  And of course, it is still on my board today.  Further, I used to know a player that used the Radial and, likewise, it always sounded superb, as well as passed my scrutiny, for whatever that's worth ;)

Message me if you like.  Hope that gives you a bit to chew on, friend!  :)

Edward
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Re: La-Braggs venue Di
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2016, 03:02:52 PM »
Hey there buddy , sorry I took so long to see the reply .Thanks  for the full explanation . Well -- sounds like it's not a waste of money ,so I'll look into it . It's called when your playing solo it's - I need all the help I can get , my strong point is my vocals not my guitar playing .
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Re: La-Braggs venue Di
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2016, 05:46:05 PM »
I wonder why my Venue made both the LR Baggs Lyric and the Taylor ES2, when set to flat, sound almost electric like in quality?  Edward seems to love it and from his explanation I gather that, when set to flat,  didn't change the tone of his guitars.  Maybe I got a dud, but it was terrible, even after I changed the EQ.  I also have owned a Para DI which seemed to me, tonally, when flat, to sound much better, though it was a little noisy.

As for the K&K XLR preamp/DI, I've used my friend's who plays his Martin with a K&K pure mini as the pickup through the XLR DI.  I found out, quite to my chagrin, this week at a gig, that when he doesn't use the XLR preamp/DI that it turns his Martin D18v into a BOX O BOOM and we had to dial out the bass and mids almost entirely to get a passable tone from it, but when he adds the XLR it sounds absolutely, ridiculously good, bass fully under control and plenty of sparkle.

I have an ES2 equipped cedar topped hog Taylor, which is very warm and has tons of bass, so I thought I'd try the K&K through it.  I tried it on his settings and didn't turn the eq (so I'm pretty sure it wasn't flat) but the effect on the ES was astounding.  I couldn't believe the clarity.  It's not that the ES2 sounds bad at all, it doesn't, but what the K&K did to the ES2 was literally music to my ears.

But I still haven't purchased one because I always play with my Fishman Loudbox Mini on stage and it serves as my DI, and I also think it does a great job handling the ES2 in terms of its own EQ'ing capabilities.  But at some point I will add the K&K XLR to my chain because I like what it did so much. 

YMMV, I know, but for me, I hadn't heard a better impact on the ES2 than the XLR (also tried the Fishman Aura (hated it, don't like modeling).  But again, maybe my venue was a dud.
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Re: La-Braggs venue Di
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2016, 06:20:19 PM »
You're most welcome Louis!  Believe me, I need as much help as I can get as well!  And my vox is not my strong suit ;)

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I can't tell you about what happened in your case ...maybe yours was bad or something else in the chain was awry. The key difference from what I've read between your use and mine, though, is I go into a console and PA, never an amp. Sound boards and PAs tend not only to be quieter, but also far and away more transparent sonically than any amp, even the better very pricey ones. Moreover, fewer issues with impedance mismatch (which could be why you got noise), when going into a board. But I can guarantee that the Baggs Venue,!as well as their PADI, added nothing when set flat; dead quiet and A/B identical tone/volume as cable straight in in y experience.  Same with Radial unit. Good DI units add ZILCH when flat and offer usable freq bands when tweaked. :)

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Re: La-Braggs venue Di
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2016, 12:02:13 AM »
Must have been a dud then, because even the lyric was made to sound like an electric guitar though it, set flat, and through a soloamp initially.  I didn't have the lyric or the venue long, so I didn't get to go straight into a PA as you suggest to see if it was the soloamp doing that to the venue.  But, I have to say, the soloamp rang clear as a bell when using the para di, so I don't think it was the culprit, and there was nothing else in the chain when using the venue.  Using the Fishman Loudbox Mini as a monitor/DI when going into an actual PA system has been a God-send.  Very clean signal.  No noise, and I can actually hear myself.  Noticed Jorma Kaukonen using one (actually, he uses the artist I think) in his gigs, and of course Tommy Emmanuel uses the AER 60 for one channel, and the other he runs through that AER DI Colorizer...
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