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Re: NGD - Taylor 2015 514ce LTD
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2016, 12:07:36 PM »
Gorgeous woods - gorgeous appointments - right up my alley! Congrats on your acquisition - play it in good health!

Thanks.  I am curious if anyone has any knowledge or expertise concerning the difference tonally between quilted and standard sapele.  I have read that quilted is softer possibly due to the way it is cut compared to mahogany and sapele and thus sounds different.   This guitar does sound quite different that any of the other Taylors I have played with sapele.

The theory is that the quilt figured wood is a bit softer than its straight grained counterpart, so the sound may be more open with a quilted back. However, keep in mind that the back wood is less of a tonal influencer than construction and the top itself. Having said that, I would say that this theory seems to apply at least in my experience.
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Re: NGD - Taylor 2015 514ce LTD
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2016, 05:11:42 PM »
Gorgeous woods - gorgeous appointments - right up my alley! Congrats on your acquisition - play it in good health!

Thanks.  I am curious if anyone has any knowledge or expertise concerning the difference tonally between quilted and standard sapele.  I have read that quilted is softer possibly due to the way it is cut compared to mahogany and sapele and thus sounds different.   This guitar does sound quite different that any of the other Taylors I have played with sapele.

I think it is because the quilted sapele is flatsawn instead of quartersawn which reduces the stiffness of some woods including sapele.   This may be why I find this particular guitar sounds more like a Cocobolo BTO I had.  Lots of bass and treble and nice even chime across all strings.

The theory is that the quilt figured wood is a bit softer than its straight grained counterpart, so the sound may be more open with a quilted back. However, keep in mind that the back wood is less of a tonal influencer than construction and the top itself. Having said that, I would say that this theory seems to apply at least in my experience.

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Re: NGD - Taylor 2015 514ce LTD
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2016, 12:45:35 AM »
 I wonder if your guitar was made from the same sapele tree as my 2012 GSce-FLTD? I love knowing the wood journey that became my guitar. Here's the Wood and Steel Fall 2012 article:

 "Quilted sapele is an extremely rare find. Rare enough that the first and last time we offered it was on a pair of limited edition models to commemorate Taylor’s 25th anniversary back in 1999. At the time we considered it a one-time fluke, so when we randomly received some figured sapele 4x4s in a shipment for necks about eight years ago, our wood purchaser, Bob Zink, told our cutter that if he ever encountered it again to call us before cutting it. A year and a half ago, Bob got the call, we were very interested, and an odyssey to procure some of the wood ensued.
 
 After being harvested in Africa, the entire tree — a huge old sapele about 6-7 feet in diameter — was shipped to a sawmill in France, where it was cut into slabs with a massive saw. From there it had to be sent to Germany, where there was planer large enough to surface it. The original purchaser of the tree eventually shipped the slabs to his mill in the U.S., and when they finally arrived months later we were called and given first dibs on the wood. By this time there was other interest in it, with some parties offering to pay more, but the owner held it for Taylor since we’d expressed interest first. Within a couple of days Bob Zink and Andy Powers arrived in Cove City, North Carolina, a small port town where the mill was located. Once they were there, they sorted through every slab, selecting the ones with figure.
 
“We went through something like 12,000 board feet — a couple of tons of wood,” says Andy. “Some of the boards we picked out were about four feet wide and in some cases 16 feet long.”
 
They ended up buying about 2200 board feet (the rest of the wood wasn’t quilted). The wood was flatsawn, which is cut 90 degrees different than the quartersawn sapele we typically use for guitar backs and sides. This not only allowed the beautiful figure to be showcased to maximum effect, it also added a unique twist to its tonal response.
 
“Sapele tends to be pretty stiff, and this stuff has a lot more give to it,” Andy says. “You hear a little more power, a little more warmth on the low end compared to most sapele guitars.”
 

 
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Re: NGD - Taylor 2015 514ce LTD
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2016, 10:00:03 AM »
I wonder if your guitar was made from the same sapele tree as my 2012 GSce-FLTD? I love knowing the wood journey that became my guitar. Here's the Wood and Steel Fall 2012 article:

 "Quilted sapele is an extremely rare find. Rare enough that the first and last time we offered it was on a pair of limited edition models to commemorate Taylor’s 25th anniversary back in 1999. At the time we considered it a one-time fluke, so when we randomly received some figured sapele 4x4s in a shipment for necks about eight years ago, our wood purchaser, Bob Zink, told our cutter that if he ever encountered it again to call us before cutting it. A year and a half ago, Bob got the call, we were very interested, and an odyssey to procure some of the wood ensued.
 
 After being harvested in Africa, the entire tree — a huge old sapele about 6-7 feet in diameter — was shipped to a sawmill in France, where it was cut into slabs with a massive saw. From there it had to be sent to Germany, where there was planer large enough to surface it. The original purchaser of the tree eventually shipped the slabs to his mill in the U.S., and when they finally arrived months later we were called and given first dibs on the wood. By this time there was other interest in it, with some parties offering to pay more, but the owner held it for Taylor since we’d expressed interest first. Within a couple of days Bob Zink and Andy Powers arrived in Cove City, North Carolina, a small port town where the mill was located. Once they were there, they sorted through every slab, selecting the ones with figure.
 
“We went through something like 12,000 board feet — a couple of tons of wood,” says Andy. “Some of the boards we picked out were about four feet wide and in some cases 16 feet long.”
 
They ended up buying about 2200 board feet (the rest of the wood wasn’t quilted). The wood was flatsawn, which is cut 90 degrees different than the quartersawn sapele we typically use for guitar backs and sides. This not only allowed the beautiful figure to be showcased to maximum effect, it also added a unique twist to its tonal response.
 
“Sapele tends to be pretty stiff, and this stuff has a lot more give to it,” Andy says. “You hear a little more power, a little more warmth on the low end compared to most sapele guitars.”

Yes my understanding is these were made from that wood.  They did not make many, less than 200 total.  Seems like I remember reading it being the last of that great wood.

Thanks for the excellent info from w&s I had not seen the Origen information.

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Re: NGD - Taylor 2015 514ce LTD
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2016, 11:48:37 AM »
Got my standard upgrades ready that I do on all my Taylors. Pictures upcoming sun allowing (it's dark here today).

Guitar is heaven to play. One of my favorites so far.
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Re: NGD - Taylor 2015 514ce LTD
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2016, 09:16:26 AM »
That is a beautiful LTD.  The quilting is is excellent, thanks for the up close.  Taylor really does a great job on the 500 series. 
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Re: NGD - Taylor 2015 514ce LTD
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2016, 09:35:26 AM »
Gorgeous. I'm sure it sounds as nice as it looks. Congratulations!
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Re: NGD - Taylor 2015 514ce LTD
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2016, 04:54:31 PM »
Here are the pictures I promised of the final touches (tuner buttons and WAHI nut and Saddle).


Rosewood Tuner buttons to match binding


Rosewood Tuner buttons to match binding


Slipped in a shot of the cutaway that I liked.


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Re: NGD - Taylor 2015 514ce LTD
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2016, 12:14:02 AM »
 That's a really nice look. I haven't seen wooden buttons on Gotoh 510 tuners. Now I have. 8)
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Re: NGD - Taylor 2015 514ce LTD
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2016, 01:26:24 PM »
Very nice!

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Re: NGD - Taylor 2015 514ce LTD
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2016, 08:00:38 PM »
That's a really nice look. I haven't seen wooden buttons on Gotoh 510 tuners. Now I have. 8)

All my Gotoh tuner equipped Taylors now have after market wooden buttons: Macassar Ebony,  Cocobolo, Padauk and Snakewood buttons adorn my guitars at present. There are other options offered by LMI .
My Taylor Grand Auditoriums:

1997 Cujo14 - old growth cedar/black walnut
2014 K24e - master grade koa
2018 Custom GA - bear claw sitka spruce/mahogany
2019 614 - torrified sitka spruce/flamed maple
2020 714 - lutz spruce/rosewood