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Taylor Acoustic & Electric Guitars => Taylor Acoustic & Electric Guitars => Topic started by: FELIX6786 on November 09, 2021, 03:43:28 PM
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I heard that if one strums it "hard" once a day ...10-15 minutes play time....the wood will start opening "faster" and the color of the music will change and/or open faster than if not....is this myth ....or not?
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Never tried that because I've liked the sound of the guitars I have today from Day One. My advice would be to play that guitar the way you typically like to play. Sound will change over time anyway, and you'll hopefully enjoy the changes you hear. I've recently sold a 10 year old guitar, because it had mellowed and darkened in its tone to the point that I no longer preferred its sound.
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+1- play the way you play, the more you play the quicker it “plays in”. If I don’t like the starting sound I don’t want to endure 110’s of hours of play hoping it changes. Enjoy playing it.
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Never tried that because I've liked the sound of the guitars I have today from Day One. My advice would be to play that guitar they way you typically like to play. Sound will change over time anyway, and you'll hopefully enjoy the changes you hear. I've recently sold a 10 year old guitar, because it had mellowed and darkened in its tone to the point that I no longer preferred its sound.
I have 1988 k22. It does sounds muddier and a lot mellower than 21 years ago when I purchased it...but can’t part with it...thanks
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Never tried that because I've liked the sound of the guitars I have today from Day One. My advice would be to play that guitar they way you typically like to play. Sound will change over time anyway, and you'll hopefully enjoy the changes you hear. I've recently sold a 10 year old guitar, because it had mellowed and darkened in its tone to the point that I no longer preferred its sound.
I have 1988 k22. It does sounds muddier and a lot mellower than 21 years ago when I purchased it...but can’t part with it...thanks
My 7 year old K24 has mellowed a bit. A change to different strings or a different pick may mitigate the darkened tone of your K22.
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I gotta toss in my two cents on this as I personally think there is far too much digital ink spilled on this subject.
An acoustic "opening up" is not myth, but neither is it as discernible as folks claim it is.
My angle: the guitar changing its tonal profile comes with time and play, to be sure. But the bigger variable is us, our ears (and along with that our age), our perceptions, and our preconceived biases. I am a firm believer that folks all too often hear what they want to hear. That's no indictment on anyone specific, nor to the the devotees of the "Tone Rite" device, but merely a statement that no one is immune to the bugaboo that is greatest variable of all: the human. Which is why I personally never even consider this "opening up" business in a guitar's profile, never. So maybe the tone did get sweeter over the 9 months, 3 weeks, and the 5th day of playing. Or perhaps you just loved the tone that day. Or you are finding the sum of its qualities more appealing. Any way you look at it, it is yours to enjoy, or yours to consider selling. Was it the guitar, or is it our perception? (Is it live or is it memorex? ...never mind ;) ). This is not so much a rhetorical question but a literal one: which is the more likely to have changed, my physical hearing, my perceptions/opinions, the conditions of the moment in which I am drawing that conclusion, or the guitar.
So that's me. I would never factor such an inconclusive, inconsistent, unpredictable facet of an acoustic into the equation of a guitar's "goodness quotient." It just doesn't figure to me. Again, I am not saying guits don't change over time; my contention is that too much is made over whatever changes may take place. There are far more tangible, genuine facets that affect an acoustic guitar's tone that deserve more time and consideration. IMO, of course :)
Edward
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I heard that if one strums it "hard" once a day ...10-15 minutes play time....the wood will start opening "faster" and the color of the music will change and/or open faster than if not....is this myth ....or not?
Well, here’s one method I don’t recommend. Buy a new guitar (I just acquired a NAMM edition custom GA). Got to play it for several days. Absolutely love it. Then, I sliced my index finger pretty deep preparing dinner on Monday night. So my new Taylor sits in its case. The only opening up for next couple of weeks will be me opening the case to look at it. Fingerpicking is out of the question for a while. Will probably attempt holding a pick using my middle finger just to get a few strums in. As they say, the waiting is the hardest part.
Normally, I would put a Tonerite on a new guitar for a few days, but this one was perfect out of the box. I’m sure the demos in Nashville didn’t hurt the cause!
Have a great weekend.
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I heard that if one strums it "hard" once a day ...10-15 minutes play time....the wood will start opening "faster" and the color of the music will change and/or open faster than if not....is this myth ....or not?
Well, here’s one method I don’t recommend. Buy a new guitar (I just acquired a NAMM edition custom GA). Got to play it for several days. Absolutely love it. Then, I sliced my index finger pretty deep preparing dinner on Monday night. So my new Taylor sits in its case. The only opening up for next couple of weeks will be me opening the case to look at it. Fingerpicking is out of the question for a while. Will probably attempt holding a pick using my middle finger just to get a few strums in. As they say, the waiting is the hardest part.
Normally, I would put a Tonerite on a new guitar for a few days, but this one was perfect out of the box. I’m sure the demos in Nashville didn’t hurt the cause!
Have a great weekend.
Sorry to hear of your accident, that guitar will be ready when you are! Hope you heal quickly.
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Think of the guitar’s top as if it’s a banjo head.
As the wood “relaxes” into its new shape (loosens up), more of the top past the kerfing becomes available, drawing less tension across the face, like loosening a banjo head a skoash.
More deeper frequencies should show up for six months, then still more for years after.
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I gotta toss in my two cents on this as I personally think there is far too much digital ink spilled on this subject. An acoustic "opening up" is not myth, but neither is it as discernible as folks claim it is.
Agree on the verbosity involved, but I'll still pile on with some more thoughts based on many years of perspective. It takes a while for a tree to realize that it is now a guitar and settle under the new stresses. I always buy based on today's tone and usually with a specific goal in mind (body size, wood type, tone). If the tone matures over the years, then that is sprinkles on top of the sundae. I have experienced noticeable "opening up" on new guitars personally, while others never seem to change much. Bob Taylor has commented on multiple occasions that there are audible changes:
1) within the first day after being strung up
2) after about one month of play time
3) a subtle change at about ten years
Most of us don't get to hear the first two. It usually takes longer than a month for the guitar to get from the factory to the retailer and then into our hands.
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When it comes to a new guitar, I think of it as bringing home a new baby. Yes, it is a human but not the mature human it will grow up to be. I would never want to have a new baby become the mature adult it will become without enjoying the time in between. My opinion is to let it happen when it happens and just enjoy the guitar. It is after all a journey.
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When it comes to a new guitar, I think of it as bringing home a new baby. Yes, it is a human but not the mature human it will grow up to be. I would never want to have a new baby become the mature adult it will become without enjoying the time in between. My opinion is to let it happen when it happens and just enjoy the guitar. It is after all a journey.
Quoted for truth (and beauty). Nicely said.
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After about a year I noticed my 814 seemed a little more responsive to finger picking, not that it was hard to begin with! Maybe this is confirmation bias as I was listening for it or maybe my fingers learned how to play this particular guitar or maybe the top loosened. Doesn’t matter. It’s a dream to play. Always was.
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Keep it out of its case and play it daily.
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Keep it out of its case and play it daily.
OR...keep it in the case (and protected) but play it daily (multiple times per day if you can). That 22 seconds to open the case and take out the guitar will be paid back in spades in keeping your guitar in great condition when you're not opening it up. ;)
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Keep it out of its case and play it daily.
OR...keep it in the case (and protected) but play it daily (multiple times per day if you can). That 22 seconds to open the case and take out the guitar will be paid back in spades in keeping your guitar in great condition when you're not opening it up. ;)
Spot on!!! Play it. Play it a lot. It will sound better and better. But you have to play it.
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Definitely strumming hard with * medium gauge (013-056) strings would help the guitar to open up
Medium gauge has more mass so it creates more momentum and vibrations to the guitar.
IMHO
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This is a quote from legendary guitar luthier Ervin Somogyi,
“””TONAL POTENTIAL AND TONE CHANGES OVER TIME
It is common knowledge that wooden string instruments — whether they be pianos, mandolins, lutes, or guitars — benefit from being “played in”. Older instruments have tonal qualities of mellowness and smoothness that newer ones lack, the latter often sounding somewhat brittle and harsh in comparison. The analogy of making a stew is often used to describe the quality of transition of a sound which is initially a bit rough, “green” and unsubtle but which gradually blends its elements into something more integrated and smoothly pleasing. In the guitar, also, different woods take different amounts of time for getting “played in”. Why this is so is not fully known but, obviously, it has to do with changes in the cellular and fibrous structures of the woods over time.
Some of these changes have to do with the adaptation of the woods to the stresses of being strung, after possibly centuries of being unencumbered by such forces. A main physical indicator of these changes is seen in the doming in the area behind the bridge which almost all older guitar tops show, but which new ones won’t yet have. Extreme distortion is problematic, but a merely visible amount of it is absolutely normal and even desirable; in fact, guitars which are so overbuilt (through thicknessing, doming, bracing, etc.) or understrung that this distortion of the wood is prevented will never manage to have the developed sound every player wants. The act of actually playing on a guitar, over and above simply stringing and stressing it, seems to have a decisive and accelerating effect on this blending; as with muscles, stretching and “warming up” seems to loosen things up significantly. I make my guitars yielding enough to have some top pull-up, and tell my clients to play them a lot for at least the first few weeks.
Finally, all of the woods described above have a certain tonal potential rather than a fixed quantity of tone. That is, they can be worked with to enhance or suppress certain portions of their potential response spectrum. However, like a plank of wood that can only yield usable pieces shorter than itself when it is cut, and never a longer piece, guitar making woods benefit from the outset only in having the most and best potential tone for their intended use. You can work with any wood to make it sound a lot worse than its potential; but you can only work with it to make it a little, if any, better. Once you’ve figured out what you want your next guitar to sound like, go out and buy the best wood you can find for it.“””
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Just trying to keep it simple, here it is:
I don't worry about whether or not a guitar will 'break in' at some point, because I liked/like the sound of all my guitars as is, otherwise they would never have made the trip home with me. While I don't have a set schedule on this, all of my guitars are available to be played at any point in time, especially on 'watering' (Oasis humidifier tube) days.
The biggest thing is getting used to subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) differences in playing each one. The newest has always had a 'honeymoon' period while it breaks me in. The latest I got about six months ago (solid-wood spruce/maple Epiphone IBG J-200 Jumbo) and it still gets the Lion's share of my playing time. And that's mostly because I like to play it so much. And it's been a few years since the last 'latest' (a Taylor) one. (My signature is also my acquisition order, 1-4 and the last new, the others used, combined.)
So not having to worry if the guitar will ever break in, I just let it do it's thing naturally. I do have a 35+ year old bought-new Gibson spruce/rosewood J-200 Jumbo and it sounds terrific and always has. I treat it like it's a brand new guitar, play it 'cause I like it, and wonder at it's current sound. I guess you could say I've been breaking it in for all these years, and it's now also got a wonderful patina to the spruce top.
Two more quick notes. I currently favor using Elixir PB HD Lights on most of my six string guitars and fingerpick all of my instruments using my nails as picks.
Be well,
Don
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I'll distill it even simpler. Buy a guitar you enjoy and play it. The more you play it, the more you will like it. Do the above and it won't matter if it changes or not. Now strings is a whole different thread.
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Just play it. It’ll be what it’ll be. My 914ce LTD w/ Bocote is about 6 weeks old now. It sounds fantastic to me. It gets played for hours a day. If that changes something that makes it sweeter over time, then fine. But I won’t be worrying/wishing over it. I love it now.
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Techniques for Breaking in a New Taylor Guitar
Just play it. It’ll be what it’ll be. My 914ce LTD w/ Bocote is about 6 weeks old now. It sounds fantastic to me. It gets played for hours a day. If that changes something that makes it sweeter over time, then fine. But I won’t be worrying/wishing over it. I love it now.
Exactly.
Just play it because you know it deserves it.
Otherwise you wouldn't have acquired it in the first place.
Don