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Taylor Acoustic & Electric Guitars => Taylor Acoustic & Electric Guitars => Topic started by: CRFAn1 on April 16, 2018, 11:22:09 AM
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So it seems everyone loves their Taylor 12 fret guitars but I was wondering if anyone can say why? Is their an advantage or disadvantage to them? Do you play them out? Easier to maintain? Do they still sound good?
Inquiring minds want to know! :)
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Advantages:
- puts the bridge more in the center of the lower bout, therefore somewhat richer / mature tone
- easier to reach first position cowboys chords (closer to your body) if you have left shoulder issues or short arms
Disadvantages:
- limited reach to upper frets, especially if you play up there and/or capo up more than about three frets
I avoided twelve fret guitars for a long time, being fully imprinted on fourteen frets to the body as "standard". I found my visual references messed up when playing up the neck - for a short while. I happen to play up to the 17th fret, with lots of regular action at 12-14. Even with a cutaway, reaching the upper frets can be a challenge. I bought a nice relatively inexpensive 12 fret parlor sized guitar to experiment with smaller bodies, twelve frets, non-cutaway, and even a slotted head stock!
https://tetonguitars.com/product/stp180dvb-acoustic-parlor-spruce-teton-guitar/
I play guitars from baritone (27-7/8" scale) down to 24" scale, and tenor ukulele (17" scale). Switching between them, it can take a minute or two to fully adapt - sometimes my fingers go to the wrong fret at first.
Don't confuse twelve or fourteen frets to the body with the regular 25-1/2" scale length versus short scale 24-7/8". These are two very different things. Hope this helps....
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Advantages:
- puts the bridge more in the center of the lower bout, therefore somewhat richer / mature tone
- easier to reach first position cowboys chords (closer to your body) if you have left shoulder issues or short arms
Disadvantages:
- limited reach to upper frets, especially if you play up there and/or capo up more than about three frets
I avoided twelve fret guitars for a long time, being fully imprinted on fourteen frets to the body as "standard". I found my visual references messed up when playing up the neck - for a short while. I happen to play up to the 17th fret, with lots of regular action at 12-14. Even with a cutaway, reaching the upper frets can be a challenge. I bought a nice relatively inexpensive 12 fret parlor sized guitar to experiment with smaller bodies, twelve frets, non-cutaway, and even a slotted head stock!
https://tetonguitars.com/product/stp180dvb-acoustic-parlor-spruce-teton-guitar/
I play guitars from baritone (27-7/8" scale) down to 24" scale, and tenor ukulele (17" scale). Switching between them, it can take a minute or two to fully adapt - sometimes my fingers go to the wrong fret at first.
Don't confuse twelve or fourteen frets to the body with the regular 25-1/2" scale length versus short scale 24-7/8". These are two very different things. Hope this helps....
Great information, thank you.
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Another major advantage for some is the lower string tension caused by the shorter scale.
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Another major advantage for some is the lower string tension caused by the shorter scale.
Again to clarify, "short scale" is different than "how many frets to the body". A twelve fret guitar CAN also have a shorter scale, but it can just as easily be standard 25.5" scale. Lower string tension is a definite advantage of short scale lengths.
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I assume in Theory you can have a nice low action on a 12 fret as well due to less frets and a shorter neck? :)
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I love GC 12 frets. it really depends on how it feels and what type of playing you do
for me, i’m 5’7 - the GC body is the ideal size. i play with a light to medium strum and finger pick . i’d say the GC 12 frets really shine when fingerpicked
advantages:
- less string tension
- shorter scales makes farther frets easier to reach and more intimidate experience (you can really “wrap” yourself around it)
- bridge is moved further into the lower bout of the top - has a deeper response and added projection
- adi braces make this an incredibly responsive guitar, responds to a very light touch
disadvantage:
- if you play the higher frets frequently, things get cramped
- if you play 10th fret and higher, should consider a cutaway
- less sustain, bass and volume compared to bigger body guitars
- slightly more expensive than 14 frets
all that being said, taylor also makes GA 12 frets, but i have never come across one. some people love them but i have no experience with them
85% of the time, i grab a GC 12 fret bc they are so much easier to play...
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So it seems everyone loves their Taylor 12 fret guitars but I was wondering if anyone can say why? Is their an advantage or disadvantage to them?
The main disadvantage is that one day you might walk into a guitar shop and think, "darn, no 12-frets to try out, oh well. . ."
The tone of my 12 frets have spoiled me such that a regular 14 fret guitar will have to work really hard to impress me.
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All great info. Gonna have to try one and see what the fuss is about! 8)
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Advantages:
- puts the bridge more in the center of the lower bout, therefore somewhat richer / mature tone
- easier to reach first position cowboys chords (closer to your body) if you have left shoulder issues or short arms
Disadvantages:
- limited reach to upper frets, especially if you play up there and/or capo up more than about three frets
I avoided twelve fret guitars for a long time, being fully imprinted on fourteen frets to the body as "standard". I found my visual references messed up when playing up the neck - for a short while. I happen to play up to the 17th fret, with lots of regular action at 12-14. Even with a cutaway, reaching the upper frets can be a challenge. I bought a nice relatively inexpensive 12 fret parlor sized guitar to experiment with smaller bodies, twelve frets, non-cutaway, and even a slotted head stock!
https://tetonguitars.com/product/stp180dvb-acoustic-parlor-spruce-teton-guitar/
I play guitars from baritone (27-7/8" scale) down to 24" scale, and tenor ukulele (17" scale). Switching between them, it can take a minute or two to fully adapt - sometimes my fingers go to the wrong fret at first.
Don't confuse twelve or fourteen frets to the body with the regular 25-1/2" scale length versus short scale 24-7/8". These are two very different things. Hope this helps....
I wanted to write the same about the advantages and disadvantages, but looked at the date of the post and realized that you were ahead of me a very long time :)
It was interesting to read about your instruments, it turns out we have something in common, I also switch to this ukulele model during the game KMU30B (https://primesound.org/best-baritone-ukulele/#product2). I wonder if you play anything else?
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Liam, I play (with varying degrees of frequency and skill):
six string acoustic guitar, twelve string guitar, electric bass, upright bass, banjo :o, mandolin, all four ukulele sizes, and U-bass. If this sounds impressive, it really isn't. Once you have some depth of knowledge and technique on one fretted instrument, learning another is more a matter of remembering new chord shapes and scale boxes. Most of the skills and techniques carry over. I also play guitar in six different tunings (so far) because I fell in love with Hawaiian music in general and slack key guitar in particular. Acoustic guitar is my primary instrument, with ukulele as #2. What I cannot handle are fretless instruments like violin - I need some reference point like a fret or a dot.
Mostly through workshops at festivals my dabbling has included piano, dulcimer, harp, drums, and a few others. Back in high school I played mostly trumpet, also French horn, baritone horn, and even tuba for a while when our tuba player broke his collarbone. I'm an engineer, not a music major - lest anyone wonder.
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Don't know if this was made clear, but ALL Taylor GC's have reduced scale length. As has been stated, the 12-fret model's bridge is located lower on the lower bout, creating a richer tone and more pronounced bass. I own 3 12-fret guitars (Martin, Froggy Bottom, Taylor), all without cutaway and all with shortened scale, and love them to death other than the occasional inconvenience of no cut-away.
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"Don't know if this was made clear, but ALL Taylor GC's have reduced scale length."
Slight correction. Pre 2000, pre NT GCs have 25.5" scale. Originally ALL Taylors did. I am not sure exactly when the GC/X12s went to SS, but about 2000 I seem to recall. They can still be special ordered with Long Scale, or could for some time, anyway...
I have found, all else equal, with a 12 fret I get more comfort and TONE. I need a cutaway but that adds plenty of upper fret access for me. Also a 12 fret is nice for slide as the neck heel stops your hand pretty much in position for the octave.
Try one and see for yourself! There is a reason all real Classical guitars use the 12 fret join. The geometry is just better for tone and volume.
Cheers
Paul