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Taylor Acoustic & Electric Guitars => Taylor Acoustic & Electric Guitars => Topic started by: Bernie on November 05, 2016, 07:16:49 PM
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These new guitars seem very appealing to me after a review I watched a while back...
They seem to have a sound quite different from what i had heard till now : but it will probably take several months at least before I can see one in the shop where I live (small european town)...
Anybody had a chance to try, or to own one yet ?
I'd be very interested in knowing what feelings you've had about them...
Thanks...
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Love my 712ce-N (nylon) model. Would consider a nylon cedar model too.
Reviews of the steel string versions with videos available here.
https://pegheadnation.com/instruments-gear/new-gear/taylor-712e-12-fret/ (https://pegheadnation.com/instruments-gear/new-gear/taylor-712e-12-fret/)
http://www.guitarworld.com/gear-reviews-acoustics-gear/review-taylor-712e-12-fret-western-sunburst-guitar/29951 (http://www.guitarworld.com/gear-reviews-acoustics-gear/review-taylor-712e-12-fret-western-sunburst-guitar/29951)
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Here's another. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CQQM5Ur4Js (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CQQM5Ur4Js)
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Thanks JKM, nice links and very interesting information : is your 712ce-N one of the recent models with lutz-spruce top ?
Warsmokeeagle for now I haven't been able to watch the video as my browser wouldn't open it...Maybe some problem here, or a wrong address somehow ?
Thanks anyhow,
Bernie... ;)
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I own one of the new 710e short scale models. A beautiful, easy playing guitar with more overtones I've ever had before. A very nice guitar.
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Thanks JKM, nice links and very interesting information : is your 712ce-N one of the recent models with lutz-spruce top ?
Yes, without the sunburst. Have had it just a few weeks. I love the natural color of the lutz spruce. The Douglas fir trim and rosette look great against the light lutz color. In a room of Sitka tops it looks unique.
And it sounds fantastic. The size at the bottom of the lower bout of a nylon GC is in between a GA and standard GC. The deep and loud bass surprised me. It's a keeper.
I have also played a new 714ce. With the redesign the 700 series has really come into its own.
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Thanks Jkm and you too Flaggerphil...This new 700 series definitely do appeal to me ("old" ones with Cedar tops did as well...). The 712e-12 sunburst reviewed by Peghead Nation and Guitar World is neat, isn't it ? And I liked too the 714ce I had heard on the "Acoustic Letter" site even better...Cool ! ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjUztkExhms&feature=youtube )
Warsmokeeagle, this time I got your link working : very interesting...Thanks. However what about this lack of power compared to the 814ce they've been pointing out ? What do you think Phil & Jkm if you'd been able to check that out ?
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Here's a recent review of a 712ce by Musician's Friend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T20woyFrRw0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T20woyFrRw0)
quote: "big, big sound coming out of it for sure"
So far the two 700 series guitars I have played both had fantastic sound. Concern with volume didn't cross my mind. My own 712ce-N has volumes of sound as did the 714ce. The store I frequently visit has a 712ce due this week. If it disappoints I will post a note.
Having played many 800 series models there's no concern in my mind about a lack of power in the 700 series. We will see what the 712ce 12 fret brings. If its anything like the other 12 frets from Taylor it shouldn't disappoint. But given the option to take an 800 series home for free or one of the 700 series (all two of them) I have played, I would walk away with the 700 series.
I love the new top wood of the new 700s. The Lutz Spruce gives them a very credible (if not competitive) and unique voice among the Taylor lines, as well as compelling visual appeal. If you do not mind a lighter color for the top, the visuals are as great as the sound. If you don't like the lighter color, the burst looks good too. Check out the stunning visuals on this 710e model recently reviewed by Musician's Friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVQK9RMMfN0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVQK9RMMfN0)
I have very much enjoyed the voice of my 712ce-N and the tonal influence the lutz spruce has on it. The steel string 714ce was also great. I highly suggest testing it first hand and forming a personal opinion.
If interested in the comments of a credible luthier, John Greven has made a comment about lutz in his guide to voicing steel string guitars.
(http://www.grevenguitars.com/pdfs/VoicingtheGuitar.pdf (http://www.grevenguitars.com/pdfs/VoicingtheGuitar.pdf))
In my opinion the new 700 series hold its own and both I have played are fantastic. In both cases I was tempted to take them home, and did buy the 712ce-N. No regrets.
As is always the case, each individual guitar will have its own voice. So many variables are at play that sometimes you find a fantastic guitar that doesn't represent the "average" of that series, and sometimes you find a dud. My local store has a 312e that I am tempted to buy every time I pick it up. I picked up an 812e this morning that was a dud. And yesterday picked up an 812 12-fret (no cutaway, no electronics) that was among the best sounding Taylor guitars I have ever played. Hopefully the two 700 models I have played are representative of the series. Will add another data point later this week.
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Hey that's a great answer...Thank you very much : love the John Greven guide to voicing steel strings guitars... I haven't read it all but found his comment about Lutz spruce ! So we'll see : I'll wait for the first 714ce or other 700ce's in my surroundings...I might give a few phone calls soon : ES2 seems a very reliable "amplificational" system and I am keen of having one. So this might be the right time for me...("oh not a Taylor.., not again..." My luthier friends will not forgive me maybe, but if that's the best I can find these days , what can I do)... ???
Aren't these guitars a bit too gentle however...(you know, too polite and well educated) ? They sound a bit like that on those "mudicians' friend" reviews don't they ?
And I am (a bit of) a nasty rock musician... :P grrrr !
(Only kidding). Thanks very much for all this info Jkm and best of luck...
Cheers, Bernie
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Thanks Jkm and you too Flaggerphil...This new 700 series definitely do appeal to me ("old" ones with Cedar tops did as well...). The 712e-12 sunburst reviewed by Peghead Nation and Guitar World is neat, isn't it ? And I liked too the 714ce I had heard on the "Acoustic Letter" site even better...Cool ! ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjUztkExhms&feature=youtube )
Warsmokeeagle, this time I got your link working : very interesting...Thanks. However what about this lack of power compared to the 814ce they've been pointing out ? What do you think Phil & Jkm if you'd been able to check that out ?
I haven't had a chance to play both yet. Sorry.
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I haven't had a chance to play both yet. Sorry.
Don't worry "War smoke eagle"...It seems the guy was over cautious with the 714 anyway : maybe he wanted to keep it for himself ! ;) :)
What's up John? Did you get the 712ce too ? Then too busy for a comment yet (or maybe it's not arrived yet...) ? :)
Bernie
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taylor is ruining their lines. i have disliked all the remakes except for the 600 series. WTH
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Slightly off the 700 Lutz discussion and more towards the comment about Taylor ruining their lines.
While I respect the opinion, I've found the Andy Powers reimagining of the model lines to be inspiring. I've had 10 Taylor 12 strings over the last 30 years so I'm admittedly a big fan. Each of the new ones has been better than the last. I've had GA, GS and Jumbo sizes.
And my current 562CE (GC size) is the best of the bunch and they've all been great. Small, light, great playability and sound. So, my experience has been completely different. Immediate and noticeable.
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I like the fact that Taylor continuously looks to hopefully improve their offerings instead of resting on their laurels like some other makers. I own both older and newer Taylors and while not all the recent changes suit my individual preferences, I think that all the changes are the result of thoughtful planning on Taylor's part. I for one like the looks of the new 700s, even more than the 800s and 900s.
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Agreed. Andy Powers has taken a great guitar and made it even better. Admittedly, my only frame of reference is my revoiced 814, but that thing is a heck of a leap forward....
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I like the fact that Taylor continuously looks to hopefully improve their offerings instead of resting on their laurels like some other makers. I own both older and newer Taylors and while not all the recent changes suit my individual preferences, I think that all the changes are the result of thoughtful planning on Taylor's part. I for one like the looks of the new 700s, even more than the 800s and 900s.
It is very nice looking in a restrained way. Can't get my head around that pickguard though. If I bought one that would come off.
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Here's a recent review of a 712ce by Musician's Friend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T20woyFrRw0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T20woyFrRw0)
quote: "big, big sound coming out of it for sure"
So far the two 700 series guitars I have played both had fantastic sound. Concern with volume didn't cross my mind. My own 712ce-N has volumes of sound as did the 714ce. The store I frequently visit has a 712ce due this week. If it disappoints I will post a note.
Having played many 800 series models there's no concern in my mind about a lack of power in the 700 series. We will see what the 712ce 12 fret brings. If its anything like the other 12 frets from Taylor it shouldn't disappoint. But given the option to take an 800 series home for free or one of the 700 series (all two of them) I have played, I would walk away with the 700 series.
I love the new top wood of the new 700s. The Lutz Spruce gives them a very credible (if not competitive) and unique voice among the Taylor lines, as well as compelling visual appeal. If you do not mind a lighter color for the top, the visuals are as great as the sound. If you don't like the lighter color, the burst looks good too. Check out the stunning visuals on this 710e model recently reviewed by Musician's Friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVQK9RMMfN0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVQK9RMMfN0)
I have very much enjoyed the voice of my 712ce-N and the tonal influence the lutz spruce has on it. The steel string 714ce was also great. I highly suggest testing it first hand and forming a personal opinion.
If interested in the comments of a credible luthier, John Greven has made a comment about lutz in his guide to voicing steel string guitars.
(http://www.grevenguitars.com/pdfs/VoicingtheGuitar.pdf (http://www.grevenguitars.com/pdfs/VoicingtheGuitar.pdf))
In my opinion the new 700 series hold its own and both I have played are fantastic. In both cases I was tempted to take them home, and did buy the 712ce-N. No regrets.
As is always the case, each individual guitar will have its own voice. So many variables are at play that sometimes you find a fantastic guitar that doesn't represent the "average" of that series, and sometimes you find a dud. My local store has a 312e that I am tempted to buy every time I pick it up. I picked up an 812e this morning that was a dud. And yesterday picked up an 812 12-fret (no cutaway, no electronics) that was among the best sounding Taylor guitars I have ever played. Hopefully the two 700 models I have played are representative of the series. Will add another data point later this week.
Thanks for the link to luthier. It was a very interesting! I haven't tried a lutz top yet.
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If interested in the comments of a credible luthier, John Greven has made a comment about lutz in his guide to voicing steel string guitars.
(http://www.grevenguitars.com/pdfs/VoicingtheGuitar.pdf (http://www.grevenguitars.com/pdfs/VoicingtheGuitar.pdf))
Very enjoyable read, would have loved to have seen the original presentation. Clearly knows his stuff, except he's a bit wrongheaded about bolt on construction. Bourgeois, Goodall, Collings, and Taylor would beg to differ. Favorite quote is about Elixirs aren't as good as the best strings, but conceding they aren't as good for much longer. 8)
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I think the new 700 series guitars look stunning -- and I'm one who liked the previous iteration, as well as the aesthetic from 10-12 years ago with the koa rosette and rosewood binding. I really like Andy Powers' design sensibilities and his taste in vintage-inspired touches.
I've been set on a Martin D-18 for a while now but I have to admit I've been thinking pretty seriously about a 712 (12-fret) or the 710. The clips and reviews I've seen of both those guitars really have me interested. They look good in both the sunburst and the natural top, and the Douglas fir herringbone is possibly the coolest design element I've ever seen from Taylor.
I haven't tried out the new 700 series models yet but for those who have, how do they compare to the previous set of 700s? Also, my experience playing the slot-head 510 was that it was almost like a bigger, louder 12-fret GC -- which is a good thing in my opinion -- is this true of the new slot-head 710?
Haven't posted here in a while, I'll try to visit more often :)
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An overview of the new 712 12-fret posted today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U38978gn9U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U38978gn9U)
I had an opportunity to spend a couple hours playing a 712e 12-fret last weekend. Will post a follow-up with thoughts shortly.