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zeebow

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recommendation for 914ce cedar top sale
« on: June 04, 2014, 06:28:21 PM »
the cedar topped 914ce has started frustrating me..

I'm thinking of selling and waiting to do a BTO, but I'm worried of the amount of spam I will get for such a pricey guitar.

my dealer won't let me trade up, which is also equally frustrating..

what have you guys done?

I want sinker/walnut...no bling this time. I guess we all move past that point eventually
1995 912C - englemann/eir
2009 xxxv-p - sitka/madagascar
2010 414ce - sitka/ovangkol (made on my wedding day!)
2011 914ce - cedar/eir
2014 martin 000-28 custom - adi/cocobolo
2017 BTO GC 12 fret - lutz/cocobolo
2019 BTO GC 12 fret - cedar/cocobolo
2019 sheeran w03 - cedar/santos rosewood
2019 lowden s35 12 fret - driftwood cedar/cocobolo
2020 lowden s35 12 fret alpine spruce/madagascar
2023 lowden wee wl-35 12 fret - driftwood cedar/madagascar
2023 martin 00-28 modern deluxe - sitka/eir

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Re: recommendation for 914ce cedar top sale
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2014, 07:12:57 PM »
post it here and on the AGF, i'd love to see it,

you might consider doing a consignment sale with Boutique Guitar Sales. Jesse is a really nice guy and does a good writeup/soundclip for the instrument, sales worldwide and moves quite a bit of Taylors. He has a waiting list for specific instruments-never know, someone might be out there looking for this.

good luck
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Re: recommendation for 914ce cedar top sale
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2014, 07:26:02 PM »
thx. I'll try to snap some photos

I'm reluctant to sell online. don't want to get screwed, but I'll give it more thought...

wish a forum sponsor was I florida so I could just trade it
1995 912C - englemann/eir
2009 xxxv-p - sitka/madagascar
2010 414ce - sitka/ovangkol (made on my wedding day!)
2011 914ce - cedar/eir
2014 martin 000-28 custom - adi/cocobolo
2017 BTO GC 12 fret - lutz/cocobolo
2019 BTO GC 12 fret - cedar/cocobolo
2019 sheeran w03 - cedar/santos rosewood
2019 lowden s35 12 fret - driftwood cedar/cocobolo
2020 lowden s35 12 fret alpine spruce/madagascar
2023 lowden wee wl-35 12 fret - driftwood cedar/madagascar
2023 martin 00-28 modern deluxe - sitka/eir

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Re: recommendation for 914ce cedar top sale
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2014, 07:58:57 PM »
hi zee,
i'd suggest sending a PM to go navy, for starters

your pics are still here -
http://www.unofficialtaylorguitarforum.com/index.php?topic=935.0

if you want to repost them in another thread, just right click, copy image url &
paste it between the img brackets (far left button in the second row above the smiley)

easy-peasy :)
« Last Edit: June 04, 2014, 08:00:42 PM by michaelw »
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Re: recommendation for 914ce cedar top sale
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2014, 08:54:20 PM »
it's so close to what I wanted. I thought this would be my last guitar but I've been wondering about sinker/walnut for a long long time now

I think go navy bought a cedar 812.

I was just curious what you guys did, especially the guys who move a lot of guitars to upgrade :)
1995 912C - englemann/eir
2009 xxxv-p - sitka/madagascar
2010 414ce - sitka/ovangkol (made on my wedding day!)
2011 914ce - cedar/eir
2014 martin 000-28 custom - adi/cocobolo
2017 BTO GC 12 fret - lutz/cocobolo
2019 BTO GC 12 fret - cedar/cocobolo
2019 sheeran w03 - cedar/santos rosewood
2019 lowden s35 12 fret - driftwood cedar/cocobolo
2020 lowden s35 12 fret alpine spruce/madagascar
2023 lowden wee wl-35 12 fret - driftwood cedar/madagascar
2023 martin 00-28 modern deluxe - sitka/eir

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Re: recommendation for 914ce cedar top sale
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2014, 09:32:46 PM »
empire music has a sinker/walnut GA
http://empiremusiconline.com/brand/taylor-custom-shop/

leitz music has a couple of locations in florida -
http://leitzmusic.com/index.php/guitar/acoustic-guitars.html?manufacturer=5
they've got a couple of euro/african ebony 614ceLTDs too
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-Taylor-614ce-Spring-Limited-Acoustic-Electric-Guitar-African-Ebony-614-ce-/221441969701?pt=Guitar&hash=item338ef84e25

you could try reverb
https://reverb.com/

if you put it on craigslist, beware of spam from vintage city guitars ::)
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Re: recommendation for 914ce cedar top sale
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2014, 09:31:01 AM »
the cedar topped 914ce has started frustrating me..

...no bling this time. I guess we all move past that point eventually

Just curious about what is "frustrating" about your cedar-topped 914...it's a great wood combination on a guitar where no attention to detail and quality is spared. Bling can be overdone, but I think that the 900s stand out as tastefully appointed. Even though my newer guitars (BTOs) are more organic-looking, I still love the look of abalone on my old '95.

Just concerned that you might get rid of something you'll regret later. It probably has a place in your arsenal as long as you  have something different to compliment it.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2014, 09:36:20 AM by Strumming Fool »
My Taylor Grand Auditoriums:

1997 Cujo14 - old growth cedar/black walnut
2014 K24e - master grade koa
2018 Custom GA - bear claw sitka spruce/mahogany
2019 614 - torrified sitka spruce/flamed maple
2020 714 - lutz spruce/rosewood

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Re: recommendation for 914ce cedar top sale
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2014, 09:55:00 AM »
the cedar topped 914ce has started frustrating me..

...no bling this time. I guess we all move past that point eventually

Just curious about what is "frustrating" about your cedar-topped 914...it's a great wood combination on a guitar where no attention to detail and quality is spared. Bling can be overdone, but I think that the 900s stand out as tastefully appointed. Even though my newer guitars (BTOs) are more organic-looking, I still love the look of abalone on my old '95.

Just concerned that you might get rid of something you'll regret later. It probably has a place in your arsenal as long as you  have something different to compliment it.

lack of headroom. sorry..was typing on the phone :)

it sounds great with a more gentle attack, but on songs where I try to increase the volume to emphasize the part of the song, it almost sounds like it "clips"..if that makes sense.

where I'm my 414ce, I can strum even harder and the sound just gets louder the more aggressive I play.

that being said, the actual tone of my 914ce is preferable to me, as long as I don't drive it hard

put on elixir pb's, which helped..but still disappointed...being that this was supposed to be my holy grail of guitars.

I actually blame you, for making me want sinker! :)

the reason I would but the bling out of a sinker build is to let the wood stand out, I actually still like the abalone on my 914ce vs the appointments on the 800 series

1995 912C - englemann/eir
2009 xxxv-p - sitka/madagascar
2010 414ce - sitka/ovangkol (made on my wedding day!)
2011 914ce - cedar/eir
2014 martin 000-28 custom - adi/cocobolo
2017 BTO GC 12 fret - lutz/cocobolo
2019 BTO GC 12 fret - cedar/cocobolo
2019 sheeran w03 - cedar/santos rosewood
2019 lowden s35 12 fret - driftwood cedar/cocobolo
2020 lowden s35 12 fret alpine spruce/madagascar
2023 lowden wee wl-35 12 fret - driftwood cedar/madagascar
2023 martin 00-28 modern deluxe - sitka/eir

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Re: recommendation for 914ce cedar top sale
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2014, 11:47:43 AM »
Man o man o man!  You have no idea how much I'd love to help you with this "problem"!!!  My long-gone GA7e still makes me wince in sadness a bit, and whenever I see "cedar/rw Taylor" on boards I become Pavlov's puppy.  All that said, with stellar guits I am already enormously blessed with, there is no way I could possibly justify adding this gorgeous guit.

BTW, as far as "headroom," yes the overall volume of a cedar-topped guitar is lower than that of other species.  Now cedar/RW in a GA body is my absolute favorite for its tonal balance, warmth, and still plenty of sonic oomph for strumming; this I know first hand as mine had seen lots of live-band use.  But that's the difference: when plugged in, an acoustic's inherent "headroom" is irrelevant since the PA easily compensates.  But if one is looking for a cannon when unplugged, then yes, a different topwood is advisable.  Just sayin that so if anyone here interested in what IMHO is a stellar guit, one need not shy away fearing cedar is not enough :)

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Re: recommendation for 914ce cedar top sale
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2014, 01:07:15 PM »
If headroom is a primary consideration, sinker may or may not give you what you need.  My sinker-topped GC Taylor (Martin size 000) is a mouse next to my Adi - topped Froggy Bottom (Martin size 00, one size smaller than the Taylor!)
CURRENTLY PLAYING

'30 Martin 2-17 solid Mahogany
'97 Tacoma PK-30 Sitka/koa
'99 Alhambra 11C classical cedar/EIR
'05 TAYLOR 614ce 
'07 Breedlove Atlas 12-string Sitka/Mahogany
'10 Froggy Bottom "C" Adi/Brazilian   
'11 TAYLOR BTO GC 12-fret sinker/EIR.  
'14 Alvarez Baritone Sitka/Mahogany
'18 Cordoba hybrid Flamenco Euro Spruce/Ziricote
'23 M. Colbert Baritone Alaskan Sitka/Black Limba multiscale with Manzer wedge

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Re: recommendation for 914ce cedar top sale
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2014, 01:33:38 PM »
zee, just wondering if you've tried medium lights PB strings (elixir 16077s or d'addario EXP19s) &
what gauge pick you're using - i use a dunlop gator 0.96mm (purple) or a tortex 0.88mm (green)

a cedar/rosewood X14 can be strummed more aggressively than some may give it credit for, imho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xR7TB7QSmY

from what i've played, the volume level at a lower level of attack is higher, so it may not require
as much "throttle", but at the threshold of compression, the peak level may be a bit lower -
guitars that i've played that have compression grain on the top, like your 914ce, tended
to have a bit more depth, projection & headroom, but we each perceive tone differently

another idea, which may sound "counterproductive" might be to try a Tusq saddle & pins
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/graph-tech-supercharger-acoustic-kit-b?source=3WWRWXGP&gclid=CJCZ4oCf474CFYxlOgodHCwA4w&kwid=productads-plaid^57302960947-sku^501677000000000@ADL4MF-adType^PLA-device^c-adid^30426179067

the fully compensated saddle will require more sanding to fit as it's a 1/16" taller & longer (& unfortunately out-of-stock)
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/graph-tech-tusq-fully-compensated-saddle-1-8
than the OEM Taylor style
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/graph-tech-tusq-acoustic-guitar-saddle--taylor-compensated-1-8

if you already have a saddle to swap in, & don't care for the white pins, they're available in black
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/graph-tech-tusq-ivory-acoustic-guitar-bridge-pins/365807000001286?source=3WWRWXGP&gclid=CNCW9bmf474CFeKXOgodWh4AnQ&kwid=productads-plaid^57302951347-sku^365807000001286@ADL4MF-adType^PLA-device^c-adid^30426177507

there is a considerable amount of difference between X12 & X14 body shapes, 12 & 14 fret
configurations, so there's probably very little chance that likeness in response will transfer over
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Re: recommendation for 914ce cedar top sale
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2014, 03:32:31 PM »
Jersey makes a solid point: sinker is simply redwood, and redwood fits in between cedar and spruce  For headroom; sitka is a good start, with adi offering an even bigger footprint.  Then choose body shape and b/s woods to push/pull/shape the overall timbre.

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Re: recommendation for 914ce cedar top sale
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2014, 05:06:47 PM »
Agree - my next BTO could well feature an Adi top since I don't have one in my collection as yet....
My Taylor Grand Auditoriums:

1997 Cujo14 - old growth cedar/black walnut
2014 K24e - master grade koa
2018 Custom GA - bear claw sitka spruce/mahogany
2019 614 - torrified sitka spruce/flamed maple
2020 714 - lutz spruce/rosewood

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Re: recommendation for 914ce cedar top sale
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2014, 06:09:07 PM »
Jersey makes a solid point: sinker is simply redwood, and redwood fits in between cedar and spruce  For headroom; sitka is a good start, with adi offering an even bigger footprint.  Then choose body shape and b/s woods to push/pull/shape the overall timbre.

Edward

sinker with adi bracing :)
1995 912C - englemann/eir
2009 xxxv-p - sitka/madagascar
2010 414ce - sitka/ovangkol (made on my wedding day!)
2011 914ce - cedar/eir
2014 martin 000-28 custom - adi/cocobolo
2017 BTO GC 12 fret - lutz/cocobolo
2019 BTO GC 12 fret - cedar/cocobolo
2019 sheeran w03 - cedar/santos rosewood
2019 lowden s35 12 fret - driftwood cedar/cocobolo
2020 lowden s35 12 fret alpine spruce/madagascar
2023 lowden wee wl-35 12 fret - driftwood cedar/madagascar
2023 martin 00-28 modern deluxe - sitka/eir

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Re: recommendation for 914ce cedar top sale
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2014, 08:55:31 PM »
i have a non-sinker redwood top & i've played other models with a sinker top -
to my ear, whatever changes happened while the wood was submerged (mineral deposits, etc)
likely had some effect on the density & the response differed as it seemed a bit "darker"

this looks pretty interesting, provided one is looking for an adi top, 1 11/16" nut, 24 7/8" scale X14
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Taylor-Custom-Grand-Auditorium-BTO-1106193158-/191165412967?pt=Guitar&hash=item2c8258b667
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