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Best Taylor for learning kids
« on: March 26, 2014, 08:34:57 AM »
I want to surprise my nieces (11,7+5yrs old) this summer with guitar lessons and a guitar they can take home after we all meet at camp this July.

Of course, I'm looking at Baby's, Big Baby's and GS minis as options.  I have a feeling the Baby would be the best choice considering they are so young.  But has anyone here compared the body sizes of the Big Baby vs. GS mini?  If the Big Baby is a 15/16ths size dred, is the GS mini 15/16ths or 3/4ths of a GS body?  I'm thinking it's only 3/4 of a GS otherwise it would practically be a GA.

Anyone here have any experience with kids and these guitars?  Any advice would be most helpful, thanks!
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Re: Best Taylor for learning kids
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2014, 09:23:07 AM »
I'd probably go with the gs-mini for the 11 y.o., and a baritone uke for the younger ones. The baritone is just a small guitar minus the 2 bass strings. Tuned DGBE
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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2014, 10:09:46 AM »
...  has anyone here compared the body sizes of the Big Baby vs. GS mini?  If the Big Baby is a 15/16ths size dred, is the GS mini 15/16ths or 3/4ths of a GS body?  I'm thinking it's only 3/4 of a GS otherwise it would practically be a GA...

Actually, taken on the straight dimensions, the GS Mini is about a 9/10-scale (i.e., 90%) Grand Symphony -- if you can believe it.  I know it doesn't seem that big, but that's the way the dimensions published by Taylor ratio out...  Similarly, the Baby Taylor is slightly larger than a 3/4-scale Dreadnought; the Big Baby is slightly larger than a 15/16-scale Dreadnought.

...  Anyone here have any experience with kids and these guitars?  Any advice would be most helpful, thanks!

I've let the children of a friend of mine play my GS Mini.  Her daughter is around 9-10 years old, and probably on the petite size for her age; her son is a few years younger, but about the norm for his age.  The GS Mini seemed a bit unwieldy for both, but manageable for her daughter; her son would need a few more years of growth to handle it properly, I think.
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Re: Best Taylor for learning kids
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2014, 10:28:04 AM »
I'd probably go with the gs-mini for the 11 y.o., and a baritone uke for the younger ones. The baritone is just a small guitar minus the 2 bass strings. Tuned DGBE

I second this opinion.  GS Mini is a superior instrument to the BT or BBT tonally and volume wise, but it is a little bigger to handle.  Baritone uke is a good inexpensive starter for small hands, and it is much simpler to learn four string chords on nylon than six string chords on steel strings.  You can get a decent baritone uke (Makala) in most places.  Try to do better than the cheap ukes.  They are barely playable in many cases, and you don't want the kids to start their learning journey with two strikes against them -- unless you want to guarantee that they won't stay with it.  You can get chord charts and basic instructional material from my web site:   www.boiseukulelegroup.com

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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2014, 10:54:10 AM »
I have had a mahogany Mini and a mahogany Baby. The Mini geometry stays rock solid, but the Baby's action, because of the way those two screws attach the neck, kept coming up and requiring attention. At least that's my experience. Easy to adjust, but kids need the lowest playable action.
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Re: Best Taylor for learning kids
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2014, 11:09:53 AM »
Thanks for all the responses everyone.  I hadn't thought of a baritone uke but that seems a viable option as well.
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2014, 12:00:10 PM »
  If you can swing it, look at some solid top bari's. Ohana, Kala, and Lanikai are brands with pretty solid reputations. The next level down, with laminate tops can be decent too. Import ukes for some reason almost always have action issues, out of the box. (too high). Most are an easy fix with a little saddle sanding. Common to need a little nut string slot work too.

  I have 3 baritone ukes. A laminate cheapy that's pure junk. A solid top, laminate body one in the lower/middle price range, and a custom built one. I play the middle one more than the custom.

  This Lanikai has an interesting bridge and saddle arrangment. (TunaUke) It's slightly less than the Ohana and Kala solid tops.

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Re: Best Taylor for learning kids
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2014, 12:35:53 PM »
I would personally go with the Mini over the Baby.  It might be a bit big now, but they will grow into it, and the Mini is something they could keep for years as a travel/beater while possibly upgrading to something later.  The Baby, IMO might not be as appealing as they grow older.  Just my opinion, though.
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2014, 03:39:58 PM »
2 years ago I faced a similar dilemma. My 11-yr old neice wanted to learn to play, her father is an accomplished blues player, but he plays a full-sized archtop guitar. As a Taylor fan, I bought her a Baby Taylor. The scale is very short, frets close together. Too close for me or Dad to play comfortably, even at the nut. But - just right for her! I chose that one after reading a story about Taylor Swift, who used her Baby well into her teens, writing and performing. 

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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2014, 09:46:21 PM »
Im also debating a guitar for my 8 year old niece, who says she wants to learn..
A Baby Taylor might be a good starting point.. She has fooled around a bit on mine previously..
But I am also considering possibly small nylon and electric guitars too..
I just want it to feel easy for her fingers, to encourage her to keep playing...
I still think she's a bit young, and her hands are so small...

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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2014, 07:00:37 PM »
The GSm is nice, but c'mon guys, compare closely the body dimensions: it is not that small.  So what you're really getting is shorter scale and tighter frets to ease fingering a bit, but body size ain't much better than an OM, OOO, or GA sized guitar.  Depends on the size of the kid, really. ;)

Another drawback to the GSm IMHO is cost: this is a fairly "serious" guitar in terms of cost for a kid(s) who may have no interest after the novelty has worn off, not to mention are you truly comfortable with that nice GSm left precariously leaning against the dining room table or TV stand as they switch over to a new task in "kid time?"

IMHO, nylons are not a good starting point for small hands, Dave.  Necks are normally quite thick, the fingerboard is flat, typically with little to no radius, and almost always a 2" (or close to it) wide nut: in sum not very conducive to a novice's fingering. 

The Baby T is fine for a smaller kid, can be setup to play with excellent action, and when bought used can be had for a song.  But it is quickly outgrown.  Fine if you're ok with keeping it later as a sittin-'round guitar, or simply selling it when the time comes.

My suggestion is it depends on the size of the kid and his/her hands, then decide on either a Baby T if on the smaller side, or look for a used BigBaby or GC-sized (again, like a OOO, OO, or OM) guitar if a bigger kid.  There are simply lots of inexpensive decent used and new Taks, Seagulls, Yammies, Alvs, etc. out there.  Inexpensive guitars today sound and play worlds better than when I was a kid!  Avoid the dred bods and have it setup if need be ...decent tone and play on the cheap.

BTW, to the OP, good for you, man!  Regardless of how it turns out, kudos to you for sharing the love of music!!  :D

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Re: Best Taylor for learning kids
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2014, 11:24:46 AM »
I have all three. The GS Mini would be a life long guitar-- it has a smaller neck than the BB & good for smaller hands.

 The Baby is small enough for all-- I have had issues with the intonation on mine-- they wouldn't notice but.... It may be just mine. But even as a grown adult, it's still playable. ( I set mine to Nashville tuning for awhile.) Taylor tech said the intonation couldn't be adjusted to get any better. Again could just be my particular instrument.

The BB feels & plays like a normal size guitar- so... And if the action needs changed, that's not hard with the bolt on necks-- I've taken the necks off before-- trying to fix intonation on the Baby, which didn't help.
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« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2014, 08:48:44 PM »
the GSmini is closer to a 7/8 size guitar & the BBT
15/16 dreadnought size is pretty much identical to a X12
 
model                 X12             BBT           mini        BT          X16
overall length   40 1/2"      40 1/4"   35 5/8"    33 3/4"   41"
body length      19 1/2"      19 1/2"    17 5/8"    15 3/4"   20"
body width       15"              15"           14 3/8"   12 1/2"   16 1/4"
body depth       4 3/8"        4"            4 7/16"    3 3/8"     4 5/8"
scale length      24 7/8"     25 1/2"   23 1/2"    22 3/4"   25 1/2"

here are some other decent smaller guitars that may fit the bit quite nicely, imho -
1/2 size
http://www.oscarschmidt.com/products/acoustics/oghs.asp\
http://www.bluebusmusic.com/products/oscar-schmidt-oghs-1-2-size-dreadnought-acoustic-guitar

3/4 size - 12 fret, solid top, 1 5/8" nut, 21 1/4" scale
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Mitchell-MDJ10-Junior-dreadnought-acoustic-guitar-with-gig-bag-105495162-i1506348.gc

7/8 size - solid top, 1 3/4" nut
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Re: Best Taylor for learning kids
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2014, 07:00:46 PM »
Don't forget the guitalele as well. Like the baritone uke but with 6 strings. Tuned like a guitar. Yamaha makes a nice one at a decent price.
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