Author Topic: GUITAR RODEO WAS BURGLARIZED 5-1-12, NEARLY EVERYTHING GONE  (Read 19258 times)

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Re: GUITAR RODEO WAS BURGLARIZED 5-1-12, NEARLY EVERYTHING GONE
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2012, 03:59:52 PM »
If recovered I know I would not want to buy a "new" guitar that was stolen and had cosmetic damages.  Would they even be able to be sold as new or would they be issued a salvage title like cars?  By not being recovered, he can replace the stolen items with brand new fresh inventory with the insurance payout.

Regardless of what happens, the whole situation sucks and I am sorry to have to read about it.  :-[

If a guitar is stolen, that doesn't necessarily preclude it from being sold as a new guitar. Even damaged, a guitar can be sold as "new". Granted, it probably won't command the price it would've before being stolen but, from a warranty standpoint, it could absolutely be treated as new...
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Re: GUITAR RODEO WAS BURGLARIZED 5-1-12, NEARLY EVERYTHING GONE
« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2012, 05:05:26 PM »
If a guitar is stolen, that doesn't necessarily preclude it from being sold as a new guitar. Even damaged, a guitar can be sold as "new". Granted, it probably won't command the price it would've before being stolen but, from a warranty standpoint, it could absolutely be treated as new...

Yes but since Taylor probably has the serial numbers, wouldn't any warranty be void...even if the customer isn't aware at the time of purchase?
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Re: GUITAR RODEO WAS BURGLARIZED 5-1-12, NEARLY EVERYTHING GONE
« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2012, 05:14:32 PM »
Yes but since Taylor probably has the serial numbers, wouldn't any warranty be void...even if the customer isn't aware at the time of purchase?

Oh, certainly.

I wasaddressing it from the perspective that the stolen guitars were recovered and returned, perhaps with some damage, to the dealer. In that case, the warranty could easily be reinstated. All it takes is a phone call...
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Re: GUITAR RODEO WAS BURGLARIZED 5-1-12, NEARLY EVERYTHING GONE
« Reply #33 on: May 04, 2012, 06:44:41 PM »
far be it from me to associate this to that...

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/msd/2994013360.html

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Re: GUITAR RODEO WAS BURGLARIZED 5-1-12, NEARLY EVERYTHING GONE
« Reply #35 on: May 04, 2012, 07:09:13 PM »
far be it from me to associate this to that...

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/msd/2994013360.html

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Yikes!! A Los Angeles CL listing for "Cheap, brand new Taylor Guitars" and Texas area codes. Jim, if you are reading this you might want to pass it on to the detective in charge.  BTW, the listing might get pulled so I emailed you the text with the phone numbers.

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Re: GUITAR RODEO WAS BURGLARIZED 5-1-12, NEARLY EVERYTHING GONE
« Reply #36 on: May 04, 2012, 10:53:47 PM »
Hey folks, try to refrain from calling these numbers and asking questions about the guitars. Let the pros handle it. The worst thing that could happen is that they fold up shop.

One of the numbers is in Austin, and the other phone number is in Corpus Christi.

The only legitimate reason I can think of for someone selling Taylors "for cheap" is that they lost their dealership and now they're just dumping them at cost. I had that happen with a couple of dealers in Canada over the years; it's not unheard of...
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Re: GUITAR RODEO WAS BURGLARIZED 5-1-12, NEARLY EVERYTHING GONE
« Reply #37 on: May 05, 2012, 12:00:57 AM »
Hey folks, try to refrain from calling these numbers and asking questions about the guitars. Let the pros handle it. The worst thing that could happen is that they fold up shop.

One of the numbers is in Austin, and the other phone number is in Corpus Christi.

The only legitimate reason I can think of for someone selling Taylors "for cheap" is that they lost their dealership and now they're just dumping them at cost. I had that happen with a couple of dealers in Canada over the years; it's not unheard of...

Steve gives sound advice - best not to jump to any conclusions, and let the professionals investigate.

I agree that the Craigslist ads, spread across the country the way they are, and written without much detail, are rather strange.  That said, the 512 number does belong to Austin Bazaar (as mentioned below).  I have no affiliation with the store, but I've shopped there several times - its where I bought my 815ce, in fact.  AB is a large brick and mortar, independent multi-brand dealer with a big web storefront as well.  They've actually got a dedicated Taylor room, well stocked with everything from 100 to 900 series and all, and they hosted a Taylor road show last fall.  If, as Steve suggests might be the case, they lost their license, then they will indeed have multiple dozens of units to move - though they still show the Taylor logo on their website, so my guess is that they are trying to turn over 2011 inventory to bring in more 2012 stuff - they still actually had a few 2011 fall limiteds on hand when I was in last month.

The 361 number linked to the ad belongs to Will Krause, the bassist for a rather strange Austin band called Megafauna - not my cup of tea, but they seem to have a following.  I don't know if he works at Austin Bazaar as well, but he's certainly part of the Austin music scene.

So my point is that while I agree that what happened to Jim is absolutely horrible, snowballing suppositions based on scant evidence don't serve anybody well.  Ted's suggestion that Jim pass the numbers on to the detectives in charge is a good one.  If there is an issue, the serial numbers will match, and it will be resolved.  But if it is just a coincidence, I'd hate to see another music business suffer collateral damage as a result of unsubstantiated assumptions.

Also, thanks to Josh posting the serial numbers, and everybody spreading the news to other formus, hopefully at least one of these will come across somebody's radar screen and can be linked back to the rest, and whoever it was that stole them.

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Re: GUITAR RODEO WAS BURGLARIZED 5-1-12, NEARLY EVERYTHING GONE
« Reply #38 on: May 05, 2012, 02:00:13 AM »
just to clarify -
the post i made earlier was to show that the dealer whose listings were in question is an
authorized dealer
(for several brands & shows to have an inventory of over 1000 guitars),
not that it was to even remotely suggest that there could be a 'connection' of any sort

if it was interpreted in any way, other than it being a coincidence,
then i apologize for searching the listings & numbers a bit further


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Re: GUITAR RODEO WAS BURGLARIZED 5-1-12, NEARLY EVERYTHING GONE
« Reply #39 on: May 05, 2012, 07:29:51 AM »
On new Taylor's, isn't the only place that the serial # is actually on the label inside?  Guessing that those labels disappeared pretty quickly as they would be most of the evidence.   At that point it is pretty hard to tie them together, unless of course they have 40 of them "for cheap". 

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Re: GUITAR RODEO WAS BURGLARIZED 5-1-12, NEARLY EVERYTHING GONE
« Reply #40 on: May 05, 2012, 07:48:18 AM »
The ser. # is also on the neck block, underneath the bolt cover label.
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Re: GUITAR RODEO WAS BURGLARIZED 5-1-12, NEARLY EVERYTHING GONE
« Reply #41 on: May 05, 2012, 09:56:02 AM »
The ser. # is also on the neck block, underneath the bolt cover label.
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Isn't it "scorched/engraved" into the block...?  Making it nearly impossible to try to change without just scratching it off?  Plus, I didn't even realize that obviously Taylor has those reported serial numbers as well which will void the warranty since they're stolen property...   ;D
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Re: GUITAR RODEO WAS BURGLARIZED 5-1-12, NEARLY EVERYTHING GONE
« Reply #42 on: May 05, 2012, 10:51:07 AM »
honestly, i hope that one realizes that by discussing certain things out in the open, that it
may  result in information being provided to someone(s) that otherwise may not 'have a clue' ???

there are other ways to i.d. a specific guitar & the most obvious is the wood grain -
no 2 guitars are alike & the  pattern in the wood will usually have a distinctive 'mark'

imho, the last thing that needs to happen is to inadvertently give out information that will actually
benefit the wrong person(s) ... hopefully they can't figure out the year model from the serial #s  ::)


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Re: GUITAR RODEO WAS BURGLARIZED 5-1-12, NEARLY EVERYTHING GONE
« Reply #43 on: May 05, 2012, 03:33:48 PM »
honestly, i hope that one realizes that by discussing certain things out in the open, that it
may  result in information being provided to someone(s) that otherwise may not 'have a clue' ???

there are other ways to i.d. a specific guitar & the most obvious is the wood grain -
no 2 guitars are alike & the  pattern in the wood will usually have a distinctive 'mark'

imho, the last thing that needs to happen is to inadvertently give out information that will actually
benefit the wrong person(s) ... hopefully they can't figure out the year model from the serial #s  ::)


I'm guessing the perps aren't reading the website, I think we are safe.

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Re: GUITAR RODEO WAS BURGLARIZED 5-1-12, NEARLY EVERYTHING GONE
« Reply #44 on: May 05, 2012, 04:48:52 PM »
Below is a copy of a post I made to another forum, containing further information.


Folks,
I know we are a diverse group so I thought I'd post this:
Late Tuesday night, Minneapolis-area Taylor Guitars dealer Guitar Rodeo was burglarized. Thieves made off with nearly 40 Taylor and Santa Cruz guitars without their cases. Guitar Rodeo is a great partner and ambassador for Taylor, and we are saddened by this news. If you have any information, please contact Jim Tordoff at 612-767-2800. We are currently working with Jim and the rest of our dealer network in the Minneapolis area to track down the instruments.
ANOTHER guitar store in the same town got hit as well. "Willie's American Guitars" sells vintage electrics etc. I don't have their contact information at this time but will provide it when I get it.

Below is a list of the instruments stolen from Guitar Rodeo
Name Serial #
SCGC Tony Rice 6059
SCGC Finger Style 1146
SCGC D-PreWar 6031
SCGC Model H 1218
SCGC Vintage Artist 6007
SCGC 1929 00 582
1925 Gibson Style 4 banjo 8117-17
Rich &Taylor Bill Keith banjo ??
Ramirez 4E classical guitar none
Rivera Sedona Lite w/ ES ready none
Rivera Venus 3 none
Rivera Venus 6 none
Humphrey amp none
Humphrey Amp none
Used Taylor SB-1 20080325913
Taylor T3-B 20090608609
Taylor 914ce 1104032096
Taylor XXXV SB 20090625905
Taylor SB2 1105021083
Taylor 514ce 1102152056
Taylor BT1 2104131108
Taylor BT2 2111150219
Taylor GS Mini 2104281190
Taylor NS24e 20091026202
Taylor NS24e 20091012217
Taylor 110ce 20081021864
Taylor 210ce 20090825213
Taylor 314ce 1102251010

Taylor 414ce 1104052020
Taylor 714ce 1106301062
Taylor 814ce 1101042084
Used Taylor GC Custom 1103080116
Taylor GC Custom 20080403125
Used Taylor 712ce Ltd 20030718145
Used Taylor GSce Ltd 20091005102
Taylor GSce Ltd 1104071107
Taylor XXXV Ltd 20090916109
Taylor Mahogany GS Ltd 1110260138
Taylor GSce Ltd 1110201145
Taylor GR Special 1110251149
Taylor GAe Back Cover 1110220077
Taylor GAce Ltd Coco 1110241132
Taylor GA4e-12 20090617019

A sad thing, indeed.

Regards,
Dan
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