Author Topic: A quick analyses of my all Koa Taylor  (Read 2176 times)

Von Beerhofen

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A quick analyses of my all Koa Taylor
« on: August 28, 2012, 02:02:47 PM »
After roughly 8 weeks of vigorous play I really love the sound of this guitar. I realise that it may not be everyone's choice but here's why I like it.
The guitar is very expressive and initially it almost sounded like a clean electric. A wave file analyses showed a lot of harmonics and I had to get used to this. Here's a picture of my GA vs the GS (best youtube recording I could find):



The harmonics change considerably depending on where you strike the strings, over the soundhole the sound is full and deep and the harmonics are less audible. Closer to the bridge the harmonics get more and more audible, it's not just a brighter sound but much more complex too. It sometimes felt a bit as if I had something like an aural exiter build in and you can do really fun things with this difference in sound.
This guitar likes to be struck forcefully, this would normally tend to get a bit too bassy on my old Ibanez, pushing away the higher strings, but the Koa handles this with ease and the sound remains very even on all strings. I admit that the sound is not as deep as I've heard on some recordings from other Taylors, yet there's plenty of bass. I think this guitar rocks, I mean it sounds right for classical Rock tunes, Kansas, Foreigner, Pink Floyd,Lynyrd Skynyrd but also Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, John Denver or Paul Simon. It can do country style Rock real good but doesn't really excel with fingerpicking. This guitar likes picks, alternative picking and speed picking works great, but individual melody lines seem to lack a bit of volume, especially higher up the neck. It can sound quite Jazzy or South American too, when given the right chords for this, slightly dampened play is very percussive but can keep a lot of sustain if needed. It's not a real specialist in this either but it performs pretty good in this job. Open chords sound full and even, wether played softly or hard.
The guitar is pretty heavy, but it's not really a problem, as with any GA I suppose, but it's perhaps best played sitting down for longer periods of time. The Gotohs 510 are the best I've had sofar, very precise and smooth.
It'll take quite some time for the guitar to open up fully and I may write another review after that.
This is not meant to be a verdict about Koa guitars, it's a very personal opinion about mine only and may not reflect other people's ideas or their guitars. What you like or not is very subjective but I hope the above will be of use for some who're considering an all Koa, I say give it a try and you might really like what you hear, you'll definately will like what you see!
I haven't begun experimenting with different strings yet, the above is with the Elixir Nano Lights and standard tuning.

Ludwig
« Last Edit: August 28, 2012, 02:18:42 PM by Von Beerhofen »

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Re: A quick analyses of my all Koa Taylor
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2012, 09:22:51 AM »
Cool graph von Beerhofen, but I have no idea how to read it or how it was created.  Can you fill us in on what it's showing us so we can grasp more understanding of what it's trying to say?
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Von Beerhofen

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Re: A quick analyses of my all Koa Taylor
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2012, 11:28:21 AM »
I'll give it a try. The graphs were made with Audacity, a cool freeware multitrack recorder with some nice features like effects and such.
The graph shows volume on the left and the played frequency on the bottom scales. I'll not try to explain the options in the lowest part of the picture, they're merely algorythms to display the graph in different ways using slightly different calculations.
In Audacity you can record a small bit of music and then apply these algorythms to it, the program will take a few seconds of the recording to build the graph so you can calculate the entire playing range of the guitar or just one tone.
A single singe tone like the low A in it's purest form (sine curve) will only produce a smooth peak around the 440Hz range (= 440 vibrations per second). The same goes for all the other tones. However a guitar produces harmonics (overtones) too which will display elsewhere in the graph (usually higher up the frequency scale).
The graph displays all the tones you can play on the guitar + the guitar's harmonic frequencies. These harmonics influence the original notes volumes with their own volumes, the same way when you throw a rock in water and another one right next to it.
Each rock creates it's own waves but when both waves intersect they influence eachother too.
A single pure note will produce a very smooth curve in one area, all the notes together + harmonics (notes generated by the guitar's properties) will cause a highly complex interaction in the volumes of each freq. band.
The graph shows an average of this interaction because it was applied on a longer recording in time, with all the notes played.
The GS recording was photoshopped so both scales match (Audacity auto adjusts the window depending on the volumes it detects), and one thing which is immediately clear is the difference in volume in the two models. In the frequency range there are obviously differences bcause these are two different guitars, but a quick glance shows that the frequency roll off is very simmilar (as one would expect from the same materials used).
A best scenario in the scale would be a straight line, meaning all the tones are the same in volume with a gradual roll off. Peaks in the graph show areas of extra amplification, notes which will sound louder because of the influence of the guitar. Dips in the graph are less loud notes because the guitar responds less good with these or produces unwanted harmonics. Everything above the highest playable tone (frequency) on the guitar are harmonics. The range of a guitar is from E4 to C8, this picture shows these notes frequencies.

With this knowledge it's easier to make a comparison when you don't trust your ears or the influence of the environment in which you're trying to determine which guitar sounds best.
There's obviously also a best situation for a recording but neither recording  was done under studio conditions, it's just an average comparison of two Koa guitars.
The microphones used for the recordings will also somewhat influence the graph, the youtube GS suggests that the highs were boosted, the GA is much more even in that area. Also the C shows a peak throughout the spectrum, possibly the piece was played in C, normally the low C is the initial strike of the chord and therefore the loudest tone.
Hope that wasn't too hard to grasp, it's not easy being Dutch and explain things in English, my excuse if it's still gobbledygoock for some.
As it was impossible for me to travel 100ds of miles to get the guitar I wanted, I used this method to get somewhat of an idea on the guitar's behaviour, not too hard with a couple of good youtube recordings. Still it's the best way to use your hearing to get what you want.

Ludwig
« Last Edit: August 29, 2012, 11:56:49 AM by Von Beerhofen »

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Re: A quick analyses of my all Koa Taylor
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2012, 08:18:52 PM »

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Re: A quick analyses of my all Koa Taylor
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2012, 08:27:10 PM »
Just to clarify - so you have both a GA Koa and a GS Koa?

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Re: A quick analyses of my all Koa Taylor
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2012, 09:32:43 PM »

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imho, the audio sampling rate would need to be the same & normalized on both samples -
44.1 Hz (audio CD/MPEG-1 audio)
48 Hz (standard)
96  & 192Hz (DVD/Blu-ray/HD-DVD audio)
2,822,400 Hz SA(SuperAudio)CD, DSD (Direct Stream Digital)
5,644,800 Hz double-rate DSD

the strings (type, gauge & age), picks, batteries, cables, mic or interface & player the same as well -
one would need to listen to both samples thru 'reference-type' monitors or in-ears
(no bass-boost or frequency accentuation/attenuation/'coloration'), recorded 'dry'

that being said, i really like what the CV bracing, bone nut & saddle & any of the other build process
updates that happened on the 11 Fall LTD & 12 koa series guitars did, especially on the all koa models -
out of the ones i've tried, i agree with Bryan Rankins assessment & Marc Seal on the adi CVs is nice too

the graph's pretty - i like the purple ... nice job :)
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Re: A quick analyses of my all Koa Taylor
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2012, 08:48:12 AM »
Just to clarify - so you have both a GA Koa and a GS Koa?

No, as it states in the post I used a YouTube video from the GS.

@Michael
I agree that for making the best possible and most accurate graph, a studio recording by the same player, in exactly the same conditions, using the same microphones would be necessary.
No need for monitoring as long as the setup doesn't change, it's only about creating the graph.
As I wrote, the conditions for both recordings were different, not optimal, but the point was to get some extra insight for buying a guitar I've never heard or played. As such graphs were created from every recording I could find and from that and from listening I decided to go for the GS, which would compensate better for the lack of bass in Koa which was mentioned on several forums.
All were sold allready and the only guitar I could find was a GA which had recently been returned by someone else and only showed up days after my search. That was after I lost out on a bid on a 2nd hand one which now sits in the store as new.
In such circumstances you can't get optimal conditions and you'll have to do the best you can. In hindsight I think I was lucky to get the GA, there's no lack of bass or deep on the guitar and it's perfect for recording purposes.
I hope I didn't give people the impression that this was a profesionally created spectrum, it's only purpose is to show the guitar's overal behaviour in terms of harmonics and range and confirm what I allready had noticed on the YouTube recordings.

Ludwig
« Last Edit: August 30, 2012, 08:58:55 AM by Von Beerhofen »

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Re: A quick analyses of my all Koa Taylor
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2012, 10:10:21 AM »
Very interesting!  And, Ludwig, your english is superior to 97.23% of all native English speakers.  Seriously.