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Go Navy

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Amp Input: High or Low?
« on: March 29, 2012, 06:58:30 PM »
My amp (Phil Jones AG150 Cub II) has two inputs, and each is separately switchable from low to high gain. 

Which input switch position on the amp should I use with my 2012 ES system on my 812ce?  If I use the wrong position in the amp, will my Taylor blow up?  Or will my amp blow up?  Or will I disappear in a cloud of smoke?

The amp's manual says:  "High: Higher sensitivity, high impedence input. Low:  Lower sensitivity input setting for guitars with onboard electronics."  While that might seem like the obvious answer, I'm not taking any chances that I might blow something up!

This is a great amp, by the way.
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Re: Amp Input: High or Low?
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2012, 07:13:25 PM »
The obvious answer is the correct one, as you surmised.  Using the high impedance input will not damage guitar or amplifier but may cause output distortion when a low impedance, high output source (your guitar) is used.

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Re: Amp Input: High or Low?
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2012, 07:24:06 PM »
If I use the wrong position in the amp, will my Taylor blow up?  Or will my amp blow up?  Or will I disappear in a cloud of smoke?


No, your Taylor or amp will not blow up, but if you plug into the wrong input the fabric of the space-time continuum will be torn and we'll all be sucked into a worm hole where we'll have to listen to William Shatner recordings on continuous auto repeat.   Not sure about the cloud of smoke part. 

Be Careful !!!!!
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Re: Amp Input: High or Low?
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2012, 07:29:09 PM »
If I use the wrong position in the amp, will my Taylor blow up?  Or will my amp blow up?  Or will I disappear in a cloud of smoke?


No, your Taylor or amp will not blow up, but if you plug into the wrong input the fabric of the space-time continuum will be torn and we'll all be sucked into a worm hole where we'll have to listen to William Shatner recordings on continuous auto repeat.   Not sure about the cloud of smoke part. 

Be Careful !!!!!

 Oh no!!   I might have to listen to continuous Polka or endless repeats of "When the Saints Go Marching In"!  I'm unplugging everything!!!!
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Re: Amp Input: High or Low?
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2012, 09:08:38 PM »
Could be worse: you could be stuck listening to "It's a small world" ...the ride got stuck and we were all a very captive audience, but therapy is helping.

Hey Navy,
Nothing bad will happen.  All that means is each input setting is "gained" differently: use the one that sounds better/cleaner.  BTW, look at your other posting as I responded there :)

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Re: Amp Input: High or Low?
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2012, 09:19:42 PM »
If I use the wrong position in the amp, will my Taylor blow up?  Or will my amp blow up?  Or will I disappear in a cloud of smoke?


No, your Taylor or amp will not blow up, but if you plug into the wrong input the fabric of the space-time continuum will be torn and we'll all be sucked into a worm hole where we'll have to listen to William Shatner recordings on continuous auto repeat.   Not sure about the cloud of smoke part. 

Be Careful !!!!!

 Oh no!!   I might have to listen to continuous Polka or endless repeats of "When the Saints Go Marching In"!  I'm unplugging everything!!!!

Oh, man.....I HATE it when that happens..... ;D

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Re: Amp Input: High or Low?
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2012, 01:41:57 AM »

looking at the Cub II & viewing the manual, i found the input
gain switch description/usage to be a little 'cryptic' (to me)

high (sensitivity/impedence) - passive or magnetic pickups
high impedence is a hi-Z, unbalanced signal, which can come from a 1/4" tip/sleeve output

not all magnetic pickups are passive, as LR Baggs & Fishman, to name 2,
make low-impedence magnetic pickups (M1 active & rare earth humbucking)
with balanced 1/4" TRS out, which allows a second source to be added

low (sensitivity/impedence) -
onboard electronics (active, balanced out 1/4" TRS or XLR) &
a quality 1/4" TRS to 1/4" TRS instrument cable will usually
have the same effect as a 1/4" TRS to XLR cable with the ES

XLR inputs are usually designed for line-level devices (mics)
which mean the amp would 'boost' the input signal, assuming it
does not have phantom power, which may  be problematic when
using a instrument with an active pick up (a 'hot' input signal)

many dual source pick ups have a balanced output, such as the LR Baggs Anthem &
Fishman stereo blender, but not all guitars with onboard electronics (EQ) are
active & if the guitar has an unbalanced out (1/4" tip sleeve), using a
1/4" TRS to 1/4" TRS cable may result in no signal going to the amplifier

the Shadow P7 is an active (9V) single source UST
with onboard pre-amp & a hi-z (unbalanced) 1/4" out

if the signal from the ES is too 'hot' using the balanced cable &
lo-Z input (if it requires too much 'pad' or gain cut at the guitar &
or the amp), i would use the hi-Z unbalanced input or flip the switch

ymmv

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