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Greatest Moment In Sports?
« on: October 04, 2020, 01:59:47 PM »
Ask 100 people this question, and you could easily end up with 100 different answers. Some might say it was the underdog Jets beating Johnny Unitas and the Baltimore Colts in Super Bowl III. Some might say it was when Cassius Clay knocked out the 7-1 favorite Sonny Liston in Miami in 1964 (Sports Illustrated actually ranks this as #4), or when the New York Giant's Bobby Thompson sent his "shot heard around the world" into the left field stands at the Polo Grounds in New York City to snatch the National League pennant from the Brooklyn Dodgers.

For me, though, it has to be from the 1980 Winter Olympic Games in Lake Place, New York. Herb Brooks coached the USA men's hockey team into the medal rounds, and they were to face the heavily favored Soviet Union team. Brooks made what I think is one of the greatest speeches ever in sports:

"Great moments are born from great opportunity, and that's what you have here tonight, boys. That's what you've earned here tonight. One game; if we played them ten times, they might win nine. But not this game, not tonight."


Brooks continued:

"Tonight, we skate with them. Tonight we stay with them, and we shut them down because we can. Tonight, we are the greatest hockey team in the world.

You were born to be hockey players—every one of you, and you were meant to be here tonight. This is your time. Their time is done. It's over. I'm sick and tired of hearing about what a great hockey team the Soviets have. Screw 'em. This is your time. Now go out there and take it!"

And, in a a stunning 4-3 upset of the Soviet Union men's hockey team, the Americans did exactly that, helping to pave their way to the highest perch on the Olympic medal podium...
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Re: Greatest Moment In Sports?
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2020, 06:49:55 PM »
Yes, one of the greatest moments in sport.
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Re: Greatest Moment In Sports?
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2020, 09:54:22 PM »
I remember the "Miracle On Ice," and would agree with it being the greatest moment in all of sports; and that's not just speaking from the perspective as an American, where it's easy to embrace the game as iconic.  Fans of sports all over the world (well, perhaps not in Russia) might also agree on this one just purely from the knowledge of how monumentally mismatched these teams were.  Based solely on relative skill levels, it's been said that the 1980 U.S. hockey team's victory over the Soviets at Lake Placid was analogous to a high school football team beating the "Steel Curtain" Steelers in a Super Bowl...  Remember:  only a few weeks before the 1980 Olympics, the Soviets utterly humiliated the U.S. hockey team in an exhibition game; they had similarly man-handled the NHL All-Stars the preceding year...

Frankly, I think Herb Brooks was understating the Soviet team's skill level:  I think if they played the 1980 U.S. hockey team 100 times, the U.S. wins maybe one game against them...

Incidentally, for those too young to remember the event, the movie "Miracle," starring Kurt Russell as Herb Brooks, does a great job of not only giving the highlights of the game itself, but provides a lot of the back story.  And includes the locker room speech "Shutterbug" mentions...

However, the greatest moment in American professional sports (at least it's often ranked as greatest in baseball) is Bill Mazeroski's walk-off home run in the bottom of the 9th inning of Game 7 of the 1960 World Series...!  Sorry Bobby Thompson...! ;)
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Re: Greatest Moment In Sports?
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2020, 08:44:34 AM »
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Re: Greatest Moment In Sports?
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2020, 03:16:55 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2020, 05:03:17 PM »
Just pull up a browser and type in "28 - 3" on the command line; all will be revealed.
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Re: Greatest Moment In Sports?
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2020, 05:16:24 PM »
Or if "28 - 3" doesn't ring a bell, try

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY8exXZgyqc
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Re: Greatest Moment In Sports?
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2020, 02:31:55 PM »
Or if "28 - 3" doesn't ring a bell, try

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY8exXZgyqc

The problem with that for me is that, if it was the Detroit Lions, it would be an amazing accomplishment. But it was the Patriots with Tom Brady at the helm, and Brady staging comebacks is pretty commonplace...
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Re: Greatest Moment In Sports?
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2020, 12:25:25 AM »
Down by 25 with little over a quarter to play is remarkable in any football game, let alone the Super Bowl where you are playing the other best team in the NFL. Also the previous largest comeback in NFL Super Bowl history was 10 points by the Patriots a couple of years before against Seattle. SB LI also featured 2 successful 2 point conversions in that 4th quarter to tie it and the first overtime in SB history to win it, scoring another touchdown. Amazing even for Brady.

And somewhere before the comeback, there is on tape one Atlanta player telling another, "That's Tom Brady over there."

Not commonplace at all. And RB James White was the MVP of that game, not Brady. It's a team sport.

15 yards for unsportsmanlike conduct.  ::)  8)

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Re: Greatest Moment In Sports?
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2020, 02:11:12 PM »
Down by 25 with little over a quarter to play is remarkable in any football game, let alone the Super Bowl where you are playing the other best team in the NFL. Also the previous largest comeback in NFL Super Bowl history was 10 points by the Patriots a couple of years before against Seattle. SB LI also featured 2 successful 2 point conversions in that 4th quarter to tie it and the first overtime in SB history to win it, scoring another touchdown. Amazing even for Brady.

And somewhere before the comeback, there is on tape one Atlanta player telling another, "That's Tom Brady over there."

Not commonplace at all. And RB James White was the MVP of that game, not Brady. It's a team sport.

15 yards for unsportsmanlike conduct.  ::)  8)

If Ryan Leaf had orchestrated that comeback, it would've been amazing.

With Brady, it was almost expected...
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Re: Greatest Moment In Sports?
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2020, 10:06:24 AM »
Come-from-behind victories are all well and good, and the Patriot's in Super Bowl LI can be counted among the best.  But last-second drama born of desperation and the uniqueness of the event are what makes a sports moment great.  My friends, I give you:  down and almost out, 22 seconds left on the clock, fourth and forever from the end zone -- and a playoff miracle that gives birth to a dynasty:  The Immaculate Reception...!

The back story goes that Art Rooney, owner and founder of the Steelers, never actually saw the play.  He'd already left the team box in Three Rivers Stadium, en route to the locker room via the elevator, when the play occurred.  When asked why he didn't stay in the box until the game was over, Mr. Rooney simply explained that he wanted to be in the locker room when what he expected to be his dejected team came off of the field so he could tell them how proud he was of their accomplishments that season.  Instead, the doors of the elevator opened and Mr. Rooney stepped into bedlam, as the fans had gone wild after the last-second win...!
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Re: Greatest Moment In Sports?
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2020, 10:51:20 AM »
Bobby Thompson's 1951 home run may be the greatest -- or loudest(thanks to Russ Hodges) -- moment in sports , with 1986 game 6 of the World Series --Mookie Wilson tapping the ball through the legs of Bill Buckner in the bottom of the 10th--as runner up.    The shot heard 'round the world   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrI7dVj90zs
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Re: Greatest Moment In Sports?
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2020, 03:14:38 AM »
My friends, I give you:  down and almost out, 22 seconds left on the clock, fourth and forever from the end zone -- and a playoff miracle that gives birth to a dynasty:  The Immaculate Reception...!

Had the Steelers gone on to win the Super Bowl that year I would agree with you...
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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2020, 09:48:05 AM »
My friends, I give you:  down and almost out, 22 seconds left on the clock, fourth and forever from the end zone -- and a playoff miracle that gives birth to a dynasty:  The Immaculate Reception...!

Had the Steelers gone on to win the Super Bowl that year I would agree with you...

Well, the fact that the Steelers didn't win the championship that year (they ran into the '72 Dolphins -- the only NFL team to go undefeated through the entire season -- in the AFC championship game) doesn't diminish the moment.  If we hinged great sports moments on whether or not the team went on to win a championship, we'd have to eliminate probably 90% of them...  Remember:  the American ice hockey team's defeat of the Soviets in Lake Placid wasn't the gold medal game; that followed, and my recollection of the country's attitude about the gold medal game was that it was almost post-climactic...  Even if the Americans hadn't won gold at the 1980 Olympics (after beating the Russians, they were guaranteed at least silver), the "Miracle On Ice" would still have still been great...

The "Immaculate Reception" had all of the same qualities:  dramatic, unique -- and miraculous.  It gave rise to one of the greatest football dynasties ever that went on to win four Super Bowls in rapid fashion.  But don't take my word for it:  here are several people saying the same thing -- to the point of even openly questioning the low #5 ranking by NFL Sports...

And then there is the lingering controversy surrounding it too.  Raiders fans will always say two things:  (1) the ball hit "Frenchy" Fuqua before Franco Harris caught it -- which under the NFL's rules at the time, made it an incomplete pass; and/or (2) Harris caught the ball after it hit the ground.  Both claims have since been refuted, but Raiders fans still won't have it...

Because of the way the ball caromed, simply physics (based on the direction that the players were moving at the time of the deflection) dictates that it could not have ricocheted off of Fuqua.  Fuqua was moving diagonally across the field, basically in the direction of the Raiders' end zone; if the ball had hit Fuqua first, it would have probably hit him in the back or shoulder and caromed weakly to the ground.  And it certainly could not have traveled 10 yards back up the field to where Harris was.  However, Jack Tatum, the Raiders' DB, was moving directly back toward the line of scrimmage; and true to his reputation, he was more intent on creaming Fuqua than making an easy interception -- so he was building up a full head of steam in the process.  It's only when the ball hits him that it becomes possible for the ball to reverse direction back up the field and into Harris' hands.  Therefore, the ball came off of Tatum -- and under the NFL's rules, was live.  The original camera angle pretty-well supports all of that too, where it's plain that the ball reaches Tatum just a split-second before he hits Fuqua (stop the footage in the above-supplied link at 1:52; the ball can be seen on Tatum's shoulder pad, on the far side of Fuqua's helmet).  So the claim that the ball came off of Fuqua was, frankly, spurious from the start.

And the additional film footage shot from the end zone (behind the play) pretty clearly shows Harris catching the ball in the air (albeit at his shoe strings).

To Steelers fans, it's all sour grapes on the part of Raiders fans...  But fans of both franchises will argue about it until time stops...
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Re: Greatest Moment In Sports?
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2020, 11:02:49 AM »
If we hinged great sports moments on whether or not the team went on to win a championship, we'd have to eliminate probably 90% of them...

I'm good with that...

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Remember:  the American ice hockey team's defeat of the Soviets in Lake Placid wasn't the gold medal game; that followed, and my recollection of the country's attitude about the gold medal game was that it was almost post-climactic...  Even if the Americans hadn't won gold at the 1980 Olympics (after beating the Russians, they were guaranteed at least silver), the "Miracle On Ice" would still have still been great...

I am of the opinion that, while it would've been a great moment, it wouldn't have been one of the greatest. The fact that they went on to win the gold medal is what makes it one of the greatest moments. It would always be the "miracle on ice", and rightly so, but it wouldn't have been one of the greatest moments in sports.

Had the Steelers gone on to win the Super Bowl in '72, Harris' catch could've been pointed to as a seminal moment in their march to the Lombardi Trophy. As it stands, it was just a great catch...
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