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The Lounge => The Lounge => Topic started by: Shutterbug on March 09, 2020, 09:47:45 AM
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Surprised there isn't a thread about this already.
I was at the recent CPAC conference up in Maryland last weekend. I was working the event, and met Senator Ted Cruz backstage.
I just found out he's decided to self-quarantine himself because someone he met there and spoke with has tested positive for exposure to the virus.
I'm hoping the fact that I met him early Thursday morning might work in my favor!
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Being a transplant patient I always follow what they are now suggesting. Wash hands, sanitize, keep social distance and run the other way when someone coughs. I would only be concerned about the CPAC event, not zombie crazy, just aware.
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yikes!!
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Boston cancelled it’s famous St. Patrick’s Day parade due to virus concerns.
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You know, I've gotta come down on the side of the argument that the fears over coronavirus are largely misplaced, and have been blown out of proportion relative to the severity of the virus. Professional sports leagues are now suspending their seasons; yet so far, the number of severe cases and deaths resulting from the virus are a fraction of 1% of the population -- even in China, where the disease apparently originated. OK, admittedly China's reports about just about everything -- including the number of internal conronavirus cases -- should be taken with a grain of salt; but elsewhere (Europe, North America), I -- so far -- haven't seen a pandemic forming...
Yes, I realize everything, including bubonic plague, started small. And it's always prudent to be cautious when dealing with something new. But even today I read a news article reporting on the 'pandemic;' then in almost the same breath, it described the symptoms of a mild infection -- which the article admitted would be the result for the majority of those who contract the virus -- as "cold- or flu-like" and that some might not even display symptoms at all (yeah, yeah, I know: Typhoid Mary...). For all I know, I may have had the coronavirus back in November/December when I came down with something that wasn't quite a cold and wasn't quite the flu; I felt generally crummy for about five days, but it didn't interrupt my daily routine much. I upped my intake of Vitamin C and plowed forward, still among the living...
Every report I've read on this virus to date says basically the same thing: those most likely to develop a severe infection are those with other risk factors that have either taxed or compromised the immune system, like cancer, HIV, being elderly over 65, diabetes, heart disease, chronic lung disease, chronic kidney disease, or taking immunosuppressive medications (like "Taylor224"). Everybody else should be cautious -- if for no other reasons than to avoid passing around the virus (after all, who wants to be even a little bit sick...?) -- but go about their normal routines. And, like the Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy reminds us ("in large, friendly letters on the cover"): Don't Panic! ;)
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You know, I've gotta come down on the side of the argument that the fears over coronavirus are largely misplaced, and have been blown out of proportion relative to the severity of the virus. Professional sports leagues are now suspending their seasons; yet so far, the number of severe cases and deaths resulting from the virus are a fraction of 1% of the population -- even in China, where the disease apparently originated. OK, admittedly China's reports about just about everything -- including the number of internal conronavirus cases -- should be taken with a grain of salt; but elsewhere (Europe, North America), I -- so far -- haven't seen a pandemic forming...
Yes, I realize everything, including bubonic plague, started small. And it's always prudent to be cautious when dealing with something new. But even today I read a news article reporting on the 'pandemic;' then in almost the same breath, it described the symptoms of a mild infection -- which the article admitted would be the result for the majority of those who contract the virus -- as "cold- or flu-like" and that some might not even display symptoms at all (yeah, yeah, I know: Typhoid Mary...). For all I know, I may have had the coronavirus back in November/December when I came down with something that wasn't quite a cold and wasn't quite the flu; I felt generally crummy for about five days, but it didn't interrupt my daily routine much. I upped my intake of Vitamin C and plowed forward, still among the living...
Every report I've read on this virus to date says basically the same thing: those most likely to develop a severe infection are those with other risk factors that have either taxed or compromised the immune system, like cancer, HIV, being elderly over 65, diabetes, heart disease, chronic lung disease, chronic kidney disease, or taking immunosuppressive medications (like "Taylor224"). Everybody else should be cautious -- if for no other reasons than to avoid passing around the virus (after all, who wants to be even a little bit sick...?) -- but go about their normal routines. And, like the Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy reminds us ("in large, friendly letters on the cover"): Don't Panic! ;)
Exactly!
Stay Calm and Wash your hands often.
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Boston cancelled it’s famous St. Patrick’s Day parade due to virus concerns.
And the (in)famous St Patrick's Day Breakfast, which features a heavy dose of local political stew, not to mention a side of roast.
And the Boston Marathon looks to be postponed to the fall.
Don
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those most likely to develop a severe infection are those with other risk factors that have either taxed or compromised the immune system, like cancer, HIV, being elderly over 65, diabetes, heart disease, chronic lung disease, chronic kidney disease, or taking immunosuppressive medications
I heard a report which said that, in the United States, the average age of those for which the virus has been fatal is 80.
Looks like I'm 23 years to the good...
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those most likely to develop a severe infection are those with other risk factors that have either taxed or compromised the immune system, like cancer, HIV, being elderly over 65, diabetes, heart disease, chronic lung disease, chronic kidney disease, or taking immunosuppressive medications
I heard a report which said that, in the United States, the average age of those for which the virus has been fatal is 80.
Looks like I'm 23 years to the good...
Yeah, I've got some breathing room in that regard too...
65 struck me as an excessively low estimate for the at-risk age group, but that was what the article I read reported... I'm sure the seasonal flu can also be pretty serious for octogenarians as well...
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those most likely to develop a severe infection are those with other risk factors that have either taxed or compromised the immune system, like cancer, HIV, being elderly over 65, diabetes, heart disease, chronic lung disease, chronic kidney disease, or taking immunosuppressive medications
I heard a report which said that, in the United States, the average age of those for which the virus has been fatal is 80.
Looks like I'm 23 years to the good...
Yeah, I've got some breathing room in that regard too...
65 struck me as an excessively low estimate for the at-risk age group, but that was what the article I read reported... I'm sure the seasonal flu can also be pretty serious for octogenarians as well...
We are all in the same boat. I'm 24 years to the good.
It is interesting how children seem to be at a very low risk for this virus. That is a good thing.
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those most likely to develop a severe infection are those with other risk factors that have either taxed or compromised the immune system, like cancer, HIV, being elderly over 65, diabetes, heart disease, chronic lung disease, chronic kidney disease, or taking immunosuppressive medications
I heard a report which said that, in the United States, the average age of those for which the virus has been fatal is 80.
Looks like I'm 23 years to the good...
Yeah, I've got some breathing room in that regard too...
65 struck me as an excessively low estimate for the at-risk age group, but that was what the article I read reported... I'm sure the seasonal flu can also be pretty serious for octogenarians as well...
We are all in the same boat. I'm 24 years to the good.
It is interesting how children seem to be at a very low risk for this virus. That is a good thing.
Yeah, that is curious; you'd think they'd be at a higher risk as well, until their immune systems built up its defenses.
I know when I was between 6-10 years old, I used to get hit with the flu pretty hard: high fever, nausea -- the whole nine yards. One evening I was so feverish that I had crawled out of bed, walked out into the living room, and 'woke up' to my parents and siblings all laughing at me as I was apparently acting out the odd (but mild) nightmare about being aboard the U.S.S. Enterprise as it was crashing... I was so frustrated that they weren't taking me seriously that I was practically in tears -- then I suddenly came to and remember looking around at everyone, wondering how I came to be in the living room... They had to fill me in on the rest, because the last conscious memory I had was when I'd crawled into bed hours earlier... :o
But I can't remember the last time I even had a serious case of the flu -- probably 40+ years ago... And I've never had a flu shot -- ever... I figure I built up such a resistance to the virus in my earlier years that I can now fight off most strains on my own...
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The fact that the youngest are not impacted has been providing a clue to researchers. My brother's firm (he's a high level PhD pharmacologist) has been working on an antiviral for the COVID-19 strain and hopes to be way ahead of expectations for a drug.
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I haven’t had a cold since 1995 and the flu over 40 years but still get the flu shot every year, it cost me nothing since I’m over 70 and it’s covered.
We were in Hawaii and read they might not let people come into the state so we came home 5 days earlier. Besides it was raining a lot.
:D Danny
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Aside from the health implications, it's affecting my wallet. I'm a professional photographer and have already had five shoots cancelled...
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Aside from the health implications, it's affecting my wallet. I'm a professional photographer and have already had five shoots cancelled...
Not to downplay your plight; but think of how much places like bars and restaurants are losing on St. Patrick's Day... :o
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This one bug brought the whole world down to earth for us to contemplate our existence. Maybe a better world outcome will be next after this is over. :)
Hoping and praying! 8)
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Aside from the health implications, it's affecting my wallet. I'm a professional photographer and have already had five shoots cancelled...
I feel your pain. For me my business is way off from last year.
Not to downplay your plight; but think of how much places like bars and restaurants are losing on St. Patrick's Day... :o
Everybody will be taking a hit
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Not to downplay your plight; but think of how much places like bars and restaurants are losing on St. Patrick's Day... :o
And the patrons. Especially here in Boston. Local pubs and restaurants were closed starting today on St Patrick's Day!! Additionally, it's a somewhat celebrated city holiday known as Evacuation Day, in honor of the British army being forced to leave centuries ago in 1776. My local Irish Pub usually puts out a spectacular spread this day, especially if you like corned beef. And Guinness. As I said, from today forward, they are allowed take-out only for the near future.
Don
Edit > Time to play "Rising of the Moon". In DADGAD. {;-)
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Not to downplay your plight; but think of how much places like bars and restaurants are losing on St. Patrick's Day... :o
And the patrons. Especially here in Boston. Local pubs and restaurants were closed starting today on St Patrick's Day!! Additionally, it's a somewhat celebrated city holiday known as Evacuation Day, in honor of the British army being forced to leave centuries ago in 1776. My local Irish Pub usually puts out a spectacular spread this day, especially if you like corned beef. And Guinness. As I said, from today forward, they are allowed take-out only for the near future.
Don
Additionally, A friend of mine has qualified for the Boston Marathon and he might not be able to participate. He is bummed out over it of course.
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Not to downplay your plight; but think of how much places like bars and restaurants are losing on St. Patrick's Day... :o
And the patrons. Especially here in Boston. Local pubs and restaurants were closed starting today on St Patrick's Day!! Additionally, it's a somewhat celebrated city holiday known as Evacuation Day, in honor of the British army being forced to leave centuries ago in 1776. My local Irish Pub usually puts out a spectacular spread this day, especially if you like corned beef. And Guinness. As I said, from today forward, they are allowed take-out only for the near future.
Don
Additionally, A friend of mine has qualified for the Boston Marathon and he might not be able to participate. He is bummed out over it of course.
Boston Marathon is now re-scheduled to Monday, September 14, 2020.
Don
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Aside from the health implications, it's affecting my wallet. I'm a professional photographer and have already had five shoots cancelled...
Not to downplay your plight; but think of how much places like bars and restaurants are losing on St. Patrick's Day... :o
Oh, absolutely!
Here in Florida, Governor DeSantis closed all bars and nightclubs for 30 days. I have a lot of friends who are bartenders, servers, musicians, etc, and they're all in panic mode right now...
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Aside from the health implications, it's affecting my wallet. I'm a professional photographer and have already had five shoots cancelled...
Not to downplay your plight; but think of how much places like bars and restaurants are losing on St. Patrick's Day... :o
Oh, absolutely!
Here in Florida, Governor DeSantis closed all bars and nightclubs for 30 days. I have a lot of friends who are bartenders, servers, musicians, etc, and they're all in panic mode right now...
30 days...?! That's definitely an overreaction...! I just read that San Francisco is now under a "shelter in place" order -- which sounds like a PC term for martial law to me...
People losing income, schools closed, sports leagues suspended, grocery store shelves empty... Geez, if this is the kind of reaction the country has over a glorified flu virus, imagine what it would be like if something truly deadly got loose...?! :o
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Aside from the health implications, it's affecting my wallet. I'm a professional photographer and have already had five shoots cancelled...
sorry to hear, the ripple effects of this virus are insane
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This is unprecedented for sure.
Suggestion (for one segment that has been hit hard):
We normally don't order take-out from local restaurants. When we choose to go out and eat, we dine in. Since all our restaurants are closed for dine-in, we are making a choice.....we are ordering take-out to support the local restaurants. We could easily eat at home, but, if we do things like this, maybe we can get them through this.
Does anyone else have any suggestions for providing community support that they'd like to share here? I'm open to them. Thanks.
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30 days...?! That's definitely an overreaction...! I just read that San Francisco is now under a "shelter in place" order -- which sounds like a PC term for martial law to me...
People losing income, schools closed, sports leagues suspended, grocery store shelves empty... Geez, if this is the kind of reaction the country has over a glorified flu virus, imagine what it would be like if something truly deadly got loose...?! :o
I don't understand the run on bottled water and toilet paper. When did tap water become undrinkable? I have a Brita water pitcher that I fill with tap water daily, and the water tastes great.
As for the toilet paper, man, that once stumps me...
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Human nature....Like a couple who ransack all the freezer frozen food from a local grocery store? Out of hand, get a grip really!
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30 days...?! That's definitely an overreaction...! I just read that San Francisco is now under a "shelter in place" order -- which sounds like a PC term for martial law to me...
People losing income, schools closed, sports leagues suspended, grocery store shelves empty... Geez, if this is the kind of reaction the country has over a glorified flu virus, imagine what it would be like if something truly deadly got loose...?! :o
I don't understand the run on bottled water and toilet paper. When did tap water become undrinkable? I have a Brita water pitcher that I fill with tap water daily, and the water tastes great.
As for the toilet paper, man, that once stumps me...
Yeah, I noted the same thing about water to my neighbor the other day: even if one doesn't filter it, it's still potable water... And as a rule, I don't buy bottled water; I take some gallon jugs to the local supermarket and fill them at a vending machine outside the door: $0.25/gallon. Probably costs less than the tap water coming out of my faucet...!
And toilet paper: yeah, God forbid anyone has to wipe their posterior like the pioneers did... I mean, if we get to the point where toilet paper is considered a precious commodity (or would that be "commode-ity" ;)...?) I'm pretty sure there are bigger problems afoot than what I will use to wipe my tush... ???
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Pray for this world and be kind to one another. Period. The end.
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Aside from the health implications, it's affecting my wallet. I'm a professional photographer and have already had five shoots cancelled...
Not to downplay your plight; but think of how much places like bars and restaurants are losing on St. Patrick's Day... :o
Oh, absolutely!
Here in Florida, Governor DeSantis closed all bars and nightclubs for 30 days. I have a lot of friends who are bartenders, servers, musicians, etc, and they're all in panic mode right now...
30 days...?! That's definitely an overreaction...! I just read that San Francisco is now under a "shelter in place" order -- which sounds like a PC term for martial law to me...
People losing income, schools closed, sports leagues suspended, grocery store shelves empty... Geez, if this is the kind of reaction the country has over a glorified flu virus, imagine what it would be like if something truly deadly got loose...?! :o
Whaaat! What do you mean if something truly deadly got loose, you living under a rock or just...well, I'm not gonna say it here. People like you are part of the problem. This is much more than just the flu and no its not martial law to try and protect people from others who don't think its a big deal....such as yourself apparently.
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A glorified flu virus and what if something truly deadly got loose is a totally irresponsible statement.
My wife is a retired registered nurse and is appalled with this kind of attitude when thousands worldwide are dying.
Also every year the flu virus varies and we all need to get immunized no matter how long ago you had the flu.
We're all in this together.
:D Danny
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Aside from the health implications, it's affecting my wallet. I'm a professional photographer and have already had five shoots cancelled...
Not to downplay your plight; but think of how much places like bars and restaurants are losing on St. Patrick's Day... :o
Oh, absolutely!
Here in Florida, Governor DeSantis closed all bars and nightclubs for 30 days. I have a lot of friends who are bartenders, servers, musicians, etc, and they're all in panic mode right now...
30 days...?! That's definitely an overreaction...! I just read that San Francisco is now under a "shelter in place" order -- which sounds like a PC term for martial law to me...
People losing income, schools closed, sports leagues suspended, grocery store shelves empty... Geez, if this is the kind of reaction the country has over a glorified flu virus, imagine what it would be like if something truly deadly got loose...?! :o
Whaaat! What do you mean if something truly deadly got loose, you living under a rock or just...well, I'm not gonna say it here. People like you are part of the problem. This is much more than just the flu and no its not martial law to try and protect people from others who don't think its a big deal....such as yourself apparently.
Welcome to America. Where everyone is entitled their own opinion -- even an ungracious one like yours... Really? Part of the problem? You make it sound like I created this virus... Or was "patient zero..." Or worse yet, am knowingly walking around while infected or as a carrier... Get a grip on yourself...
In case you didn't read my initial post on this topic -- and judging from your response you didn't -- I have not endorsed carelessness about this virus at any point. But neither have I decided to live my life sheltered under a rock, as you seem to believe... Or suffering a cranial-rectal inversion, as you seem to hint... Quite the opposite, in fact...
So in case you haven't run the numbers -- and judging from your response, you haven't -- the latest reports are of 200,000 cases worldwide. In round numbers, there are 4 billion people still kicking on this planet. That means that 0.005% of the population is infected -- that's one FIVE HUNDREDTH of a percent. The number of deaths is smaller yet.
And in case you haven't read up on the symptoms -- which judging from your response, you haven't -- for the vast majority of people infected, the expected symptoms are: low-grade fever, runny nose, sore throat, dry cough, and shortness of breath. Hmm, death does not seem to be listed among those symptoms -- except for at-risk groups who have compromised immune systems, and who are at risk of death from just about any infection. So, yeah: coronavirus sounds like a glorified flu bug to me... And by the way: the flu infected -- and killed -- more people last year than coronavirus has...
People who have gone overboard with their reactions to this 'pandemic' (apparently you needn't look any farther than a mirror for one of them) have caused more pain and suffering to their fellow man than this bug ever will. How many people have been put out of work for an indefinite period of time...? When will the stock market/economy recover from this...? When's the last time you saw fully-stocked shelves in the supermarket...? I could go on, but what's the point...?
So if you want to live your life huddled inside your house in fear of what might be, then be my guest; in the end, only one of us will be right... And if it's you, then I guess I won't have to listen to "I told you so...!"
My wife is a retired registered nurse and is appalled with this kind of attitude when thousands worldwide are dying...
Then she, of all people, knows that people do die from diseases. Not a pleasant thought, I grant you; just reality. And if anything, she should understand my point: thousands of deaths worldwide. Not hundreds of thousands, not millions -- thousands... You guys make it sound like I want to see people suffer and die when I'm just trying to be a voice of reason in this matter...! But no one likes the guy who says out loud what most of us are already thinking...
As such, I won't be shouted down on this or any topic when the numbers just don't support it. The present reaction to coronavirus is way out of proportion to the known risks to human life. I will repeat that once again because it's apparently not sinking in to some: the documented symptoms are, for the vast majority of those infected, non-life-threatening. Just because it's never been encountered before doesn't justify this level of reaction. If we all want to agree to disagree, that's fine. But I'm not going to change my opinion on this unless and until the numbers show otherwise. And so far, the flu has proven itself to be far more deadly to mankind than coronavirus. But I don't recall the country shutting down last year when the seasonal flu was at it's peak... Why not...?
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Tim makes some very good points. Here in the United States we have a influenza season death rate of between 12,000 - 60,000.
That is just here in the USA, I am not talking world wide. 2017-2018 flu season there was 61,000 deaths https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden-averted/2017-2018.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden-averted/2017-2018.htm)
this flu season 2019-2020 starting from October 1, 2019 to March 7, 2020 just 22,000 - 55,000 deaths. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm)
This does not seem so abnormal to me. Although any death is a sorrowful tragedy. The numbers don't seem to warrant the crazyness that this country and world is putting themselves through.
Besides that, my hands are drying out from washing them so much.
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Why Covid-19 is worse than the flu?
It’s more contagious, more deadly (particularly for older people), and it has a greater potential to overwhelm our health care system.
By Brian Resnick and Christina Animashaun Mar 18, 2020, 12:24pm EDT
A question we keep hearing about the Covid-19 pandemic: Isn’t this disease a lot like the flu?
A quick unambiguous answer: No, this is not like the seasonal flu. It is worse.
Yes, some of the symptoms of Covid-19 resemble flu — especially fever and coughs. But this virus is worse for the destruction it may cause, not only in human lives, but to our society.
This is not to downplay the flu; that disease is still an annual blight we could be even more proactive about fighting (annual flu shots are important!). And it’s still true that tens of thousands of people die from the flu each year in the US.
But also, keep in mind: That’s in a given year. Covid-19 hasn’t been around a year — or even half a year. Before January, this virus was not known to science, at all. It’s just getting started. And while there is still a lot of uncertainty over this virus, and how it will play out, from what we know so far, this is a threat to take extremely seriously.
All the reasons Covid-19 is worse than the flu
While the exact death rate is not yet clear, the evidence so far does show the disease kills a larger proportion of people than the flu (and it’s particularly lethal for people older than 80).
It also has a higher potential to overwhelm our health care system and hurt people with other illnesses.
Currently, there is no vaccine to combat it, nor any approved therapeutics to slow the course of its toll on the human body. (Doctors can treat cytokine storm syndrome, an immune response that may in some cases be dealing the fatal blow to those dying of Covid-19.)
Sober-minded epidemiologists say that 20 to 60 percent of the world’s adult population could end up catching this virus.
Biologically, it behaves differently than the flu. It takes one to 14 days for people with Covid-19 infection to develop symptoms (five days is the median). For the flu, it’s around two days. That potentially gives people more time to spread the illness asymptomatically before they know they are sick.
Around the country, health care providers are worried about their facilities being overrun with an influx of patients, and having to ration lifesaving medical supplies. Some flu seasons are worse than others — but facilities are anticipating flu cases, and prepare for them. Many hospitals, as Vox’s Dylan Scott has reported, and struggling in their preparations for Covid-19.
Four or so months ago, this virus is believed to have made the leap from animals to humans for the very first time. No human immune system had seen it before November, so no human had any natural immunity to it. That means it’s more contagious than the flu — about twice as contagious, perhaps more; the numbers are still being worked out.
The threat of it causing massive outbreaks that overwhelm health systems around the world is serious. It’s bad enough to roil our stock markets, put people out of work, and potentially cause a recession. It could potentially kill millions, both here and world wide.
It’s possible that Covid-19 will become endemic — meaning it will be a disease that regularly attacks humans and will not go away until there’s a treatment or a vaccine.
Again: Yes, flu variants kill tens of thousands of people a year in the US. But imagine if there was another kind of flu, “except potentially with a higher case fatality rate,” Angela Rasmussen, a Columbia University virologist, told me recently. “Which is definitely a problem because the seasonal flu kills 30,000 to 60,000 Americans every year. And even if it’s the same case fatality rate of seasonal flu, that still presents a substantial public health burden.”
We do not want this to happen. Better safe than sorry people.
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Good information in the grand scheme; knowledge is always good to combat fear. But there's still a lot of conjecture hiding within that article...
Once again, I grant that prudence and caution are always warranted any time we deal with something previously unknown to us. The truth is: nobody currently knows what the ramifications are, and only time will tell... But the genie is already out of the bottle; sticking the cork back in now won't change a lot... The virus is loose and either we develop a vaccine for it (a la small pox and polio); or -- one way or another -- nature will do the immunization for us... Some may view that as overly fatalistic; I just accept it as realism, look at the facts and numbers for guidance as to the proper course of action, and try to put my trust in the Lord...
My original, somewhat rhetorical question still remains, though: As a society, are we doing more harm to ourselves by being overly cautious...? There's been a tendency over the past few decades to believe we can create a perfectly safe and carefree society through the judicious applications of science and politics. So far, I haven't partaken in that Kool-Aid... My idea of a proper course of action at this time is to limit my contact with people of unknown health status, expect that others will do the same, isolate myself if I begin to feel sick -- and otherwise go about my normal routine.
What's more, what's the end-game on this "shelter-in-place" plan...? How does anyone know when is the proper time to sound the "all clear" with an unknown contagion...? If coronavirus truly is generally worse than the flu, sounding it too soon would be just as disastrous as keeping the world on "hold" for too long: people will needlessly die either way... In the latter case, people will continue to lose income; economies will collapse; desperation will set in for basic food needs and supplies... I mean, the supermarket shelves are already bare; whether or not this goes down as another Bubonic plague, can you imagine the response if the worldwide economy just crashes suddenly...?! Future historians might note it as the second dawning of the Dark Ages... How bleak a picture can we paint with the current response trend of waiting until we're told to wait some more...? Even the article you cite acknowledges that this side of the coin needs to be considered. Now, is a scenario of worldwide economic chaos all conjecture and overreaction to the other end of the scale...? Probably. But you see: we can all get caught up in the worst possible outcomes and forget that we should all just be doing our best... As with every situation, the truth -- and the best course of action -- often lies somewhere in the middle...
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Whaaat! What do you mean if something truly deadly got loose, you living under a rock or just...well, I'm not gonna say it here. People like you are part of the problem. This is much more than just the flu and no its not martial law to try and protect people from others who don't think its a big deal....such as yourself apparently.
The average age of those who've died in this country as a result of the coronavirus is somewhere around 80, and all have had some preexisting medical condition making it more likely the virus would prove fatal.
The reality is that the vast majority of people who get it will think they have the flu, will self medicate and recover.
As for martial law, I suggest you read up on what it is, because using the military to protect anyone from anyone else in this country is, in fact, martial law...
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Welcome to America. Where everyone is entitled their own opinion -- even an ungracious one like yours... Really? Part of the problem? You make it sound like I created this virus... Or was "patient zero..." Or worse yet, am knowingly walking around while infected or as a carrier... Get a grip on yourself...
In case you didn't read my initial post on this topic -- and judging from your response you didn't -- I have not endorsed carelessness about this virus at any point. But neither have I decided to live my life sheltered under a rock, as you seem to believe... Or suffering a cranial-rectal inversion, as you seem to hint... Quite the opposite, in fact...
So in case you haven't run the numbers -- and judging from your response, you haven't -- the latest reports are of 200,000 cases worldwide. In round numbers, there are 4 billion people still kicking on this planet. That means that 0.005% of the population is infected -- that's one FIVE HUNDREDTH of a percent. The number of deaths is smaller yet.
And in case you haven't read up on the symptoms -- which judging from your response, you haven't -- for the vast majority of people infected, the expected symptoms are: low-grade fever, runny nose, sore throat, dry cough, and shortness of breath. Hmm, death does not seem to be listed among those symptoms -- except for at-risk groups who have compromised immune systems, and who are at risk of death from just about any infection. So, yeah: coronavirus sounds like a glorified flu bug to me... And by the way: the flu infected -- and killed -- more people last year than coronavirus has...
People who have gone overboard with their reactions to this 'pandemic' (apparently you needn't look any farther than a mirror for one of them) have caused more pain and suffering to their fellow man than this bug ever will. How many people have been put out of work for an indefinite period of time...? When will the stock market/economy recover from this...? When's the last time you saw fully-stocked shelves in the supermarket...? I could go on, but what's the point...?
So if you want to live your life huddled inside your house in fear of what might be, then be my guest; in the end, only one of us will be right... And if it's you, then I guess I won't have to listen to "I told you so...!"
My wife is a retired registered nurse and is appalled with this kind of attitude when thousands worldwide are dying...
Then she, of all people, knows that people do die from diseases. Not a pleasant thought, I grant you; just reality. And if anything, she should understand my point: thousands of deaths worldwide. Not hundreds of thousands, not millions -- thousands... You guys make it sound like I want to see people suffer and die when I'm just trying to be a voice of reason in this matter...! But no one likes the guy who says out loud what most of us are already thinking...
As such, I won't be shouted down on this or any topic when the numbers just don't support it. The present reaction to coronavirus is way out of proportion to the known risks to human life. I will repeat that once again because it's apparently not sinking in to some: the documented symptoms are, for the vast majority of those infected, non-life-threatening. Just because it's never been encountered before doesn't justify this level of reaction. If we all want to agree to disagree, that's fine. But I'm not going to change my opinion on this unless and until the numbers show otherwise. And so far, the flu has proven itself to be far more deadly to mankind than coronavirus. But I don't recall the country shutting down last year when the seasonal flu was at it's peak... Why not...?
This is absolute gold.
Well done...
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... the latest reports are of 200,000 cases worldwide. In round numbers, there are 4 billion people still kicking on this planet. That means that 0.005% of the population is infected -- that's one FIVE HUNDREDTH of a percent. The number of deaths is smaller yet...
For accuracy's sake, I must issue a correction/update to this. In verifying the latest figures, the number of worldwide coronavirus cases (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/) is now approaching 300,000; the spike in the number is possibly being driven to some degree by the reports of widespread infections among cooped-up criminal prisoners in Iran. Also, the actual population on the planet is closer to 8 billion. So that means that 0.00375% of the population is infected, or roughly one four-hundredeth of one percent. So unless you've recently spent some time crammed inside of an Iranian prison, I'd say your odds of catching the coronavirus here in the USA are relatively slim...
Moving on to the statistics concerning the resolution of the virus: there have been just under 12,000 deaths worldwide from this virus, with almost 94,000 recoveries (remaining numbers are probably still in the infected stages, so recovery is TBD). As has been pointed out, most of the deaths are almost certainly among folks who were already in a risk group, primarily the elderly. That's a 90% recovery rate, folks... Which is pretty good -- especially considering that humans had not previously developed a natural immunity to coronavirus...
What's more, the current number of deaths here in the U.S. that have resulted from about 20,000 reported cases nationwide is 276, or about 1% of those infected -- far better than the worldwide rate of 10% -- with all of the remaining active cases being currently reported as mild infections. 276 people in the entire country: that's not even as many people who are dying on the roads going back and forth from the supermarkets to clean off the shelves...
So relax... Unless you're in a risk-group, your chances are probably greater of dying from 'cabin fever' as we all wait it out...
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So unless you've recently spent some time crammed inside of an Iranian prison, I'd say your odds of catching the coronavirus here in the USA are relatively slim...
That's pretty funny...
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So unless you've recently spent some time crammed inside of an Iranian prison, I'd say your odds of catching the coronavirus here in the USA are relatively slim...
That's pretty funny...
Right hilarious. Getting funnier by the day.
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A sensitive topic to some, let's take a step back and relax. Maybe this thread has run its course. We will keep an eye on it.
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My apologies TaylorGirl. I shouldn't have revisited this and commented.
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Right hilarious. Getting funnier by the day.
You know, a little levity is what'll help make this whole thing a little easier to endure.
Unless, of course, you actually have been crammed into an Iranian prison...
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My apologies TaylorGirl. I shouldn't have revisited this and commented.
Not just you. Take care.
Right hilarious. Getting funnier by the day.
You know, a little levity is what'll help make this whole thing a little easier to endure.
Unless, of course, you actually have been crammed into an Iranian prison...
No, my sense of humor is just fine. Thank you.
Some concern has been expressed. Just saying that we are trying to keep the forum enjoyable for all. With the health, financial, social, etc struggles that folks are enduring, this topic may be a bit more sensitive. Posts are welcome, but let's be a little more mindful here. Thanks.
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My apologies TaylorGirl. I shouldn't have revisited this and commented.
Not just you. Take care.
Right hilarious. Getting funnier by the day.
You know, a little levity is what'll help make this whole thing a little easier to endure.
Unless, of course, you actually have been crammed into an Iranian prison...
No, my sense of humor is just fine. Thank you.
Some concern has been expressed. Just saying that we are trying to keep the forum enjoyable for all. With the health, financial, social, etc struggles that folks are enduring, this topic may be a bit more sensitive. Posts are welcome, but let's be a little more mindful here. Thanks.
Well, to that I would say that too much doom and gloom is good for no one, and I don't really think anyone is trying to make light of anything at anyone's expense.
I, for one, appreciate the levity and would rather see posts which make me chuckle as opposed to posts which make me want to put a gun in my mouth. This is a bad, bad situation and everyone knows it. No one is going to say anything about it which hasn't been said a thousand times before.
Here, try this:
John Travolta was rushed to an Ocala area hospital because of a suspected case of Covid-19.
Upon examination, Travolta was found to be free of the virus and, instead, was afflicted with Saturday Night Fever. Doctors were pleased to announce that Travolta will be stayin' alive...
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My apologies TaylorGirl. I shouldn't have revisited this and commented.
Not just you. Take care.
Right hilarious. Getting funnier by the day.
You know, a little levity is what'll help make this whole thing a little easier to endure.
Unless, of course, you actually have been crammed into an Iranian prison...
No, my sense of humor is just fine. Thank you.
Some concern has been expressed. Just saying that we are trying to keep the forum enjoyable for all. With the health, financial, social, etc struggles that folks are enduring, this topic may be a bit more sensitive. Posts are welcome, but let's be a little more mindful here. Thanks.
... Here, try this:
John Travolta was rushed to an Ocala area hospital because of a suspected case of Covid-19.
Upon examination, Travolta was found to be free of the virus and, instead, was afflicted with Saturday Night Fever. Doctors were pleased to announce that Travolta will be stayin' alive...
I vote funny... ;D
I don't think any of us are trying to be flippant with the suffering of others. But I also tend fall on the same side of the argument as "Shutterbug:" if we can't laugh in a time of crisis -- even at the crisis itself -- then we've lost something as humans...
If it gives you any insight into the workings of such minds, I remember taking a science-fiction/fantasy literature course in college; on one test we were given an extra credit question: if we were living in the world described in Ray Bradbury's novel Fahrenheit 451, what book would we choose to 'become' (memorize) and why? My answer was Douglas Adams' book The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy -- because anyone living in the world Bradbury described would need a good laugh... I think the teacher was a bit surprised by my answer; he was expecting people in the class to choose stories that were considered 'classics,' and therefore worthy of protection. But he gave me the extra credit...!
While working in what is arguably a hazardous profession (flight testing), I've learned that humor -- even what some may call 'gallows humor' -- helps to keep people loose and relaxed -- two good things when life-and-death situation arise suddenly. And I myself am speaking from first-hand experience with it, having been aboard test aircraft that, at varying times (1) departed from controlled flight about 14,000 feet AGL (above ground level) and recovered only 2,000 feet AGL; (2) was struck by lightning about six feet from where I was sitting; (3) nearly took a seagull that we struck in flight down the No. 1 engine intake; and (4) lost pressurization while climbing to cruising altitude, putting us one step from fatal hypoxia (read up on what happened to the pro golfer, Payne Stewart)...
I think you'll find the same kind of humorous inclinations among paramedics, firefighters, police officers, combat military, etc. I'm not a psychologist, but it may be a natural defense mechanism against the occupational hazards found in dangerous professions... Either way, don't take it at anything more than face-value.
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I like shutterbug’s saturday night fever joke. I agree humor aids in challenging times. Let’s make sure we keep posts friendly and don’t make jokes/analogies that can be offensive, use common sense judgement there.
let’s be mindful that everyone’s situation is different and agree that this virus causes different stresses/challenges for everyone.
a funny joke as an example.
many people will be making babies during this time.
these children will be know as coronials.
in 13 years, they will be known as a coron-teen.
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I like shutterbug’s saturday night fever joke. I agree humor aids in challenging times. Let’s make sure we keep posts friendly and don’t make jokes/analogies that can be offensive, use common sense judgement there.
let’s be mindful that everyone’s situation is different and agree that this virus causes different stresses/challenges for everyone.
a funny joke as an example.
many people will be making babies during this time.
these children will be know as coronials.
in 13 years, they will be known as a coron-teen.
That's funny too!
Everyone has to keep in mind that there are varying degrees of sensitivity, though. What one person finds humorous others might call 'offensive;' like guitar tone, it's a subjective criteria that's neither right nor wrong. In the case of the latter, shake your head, let it roll off your back, and we'll all move on... Give one another the benefit of the doubt, and don't automatically assume the joke was specifically meant to offend. There are more important fights to fight than who offended who with some humor, even if it's not to your particular taste; and if you make an angry fuss, then you've chosen to be offensive and are probably just going to set off a war of words... Rise above it...
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LOL! ;D
And if not sold/used by summer, Halloween will look like Christmas with all the TP in the trees...!
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Click on above link.
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many people will be making babies during this time.
these children will be know as coronials.
in 13 years, they will be known as a coron-teen.
I thought they were going to be known as "coronials"...
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many people will be making babies during this time.
these children will be know as coronials.
in 13 years, they will be known as a coron-teen.
I thought they were going to be known as "coronials"...
They are; but "coron-teen" is a wordplay on "quarantine," for when they become teenagers... Get it...? ;)
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many people will be making babies during this time.
these children will be know as coronials.
in 13 years, they will be known as a coron-teen.
I thought they were going to be known as "coronials"...
They are; but "coron-teen" is a wordplay on "quarantine," for when they become teenagers... Get it...? ;)
lolololol!! :) ;) :D ;D
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many people will be making babies during this time.
these children will be know as coronials.
in 13 years, they will be known as a coron-teen.
I thought they were going to be known as "coronials"...
They are; but "coron-teen" is a wordplay on "quarantine," for when they become teenagers... Get it...? ;)
lolololol!! :) ;) :D ;D
Whatever.
I'm going to mix myself another quarantini and watch Netflix...
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RKfiG3P268c/XcGrbQYdH5I/AAAAAAAAUic/WRIwGuuiIu0lF5AZCiFxGvmHvlUWmIWQgCEwYBhgL/s1600/IMG_7126.jpg)
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many people will be making babies during this time.
these children will be know as coronials.
in 13 years, they will be known as a coron-teen.
I thought they were going to be known as "coronials"...
They are; but "coron-teen" is a wordplay on "quarantine," for when they become teenagers... Get it...? ;)
lolololol!! :) ;) :D ;D
Whatever.
I'm going to mix myself another quarantini and watch Netflix...
Well played!
So you've taken to self-medication, then...? ;)
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many people will be making babies during this time.
these children will be know as coronials.
in 13 years, they will be known as a coron-teen.
I thought they were going to be known as "coronials"...
They are; but "coron-teen" is a wordplay on "quarantine," for when they become teenagers... Get it...? ;)
lolololol!! :) ;) :D ;D
Whatever.
I'm going to mix myself another quarantini and watch Netflix...
Well played!
So you've taken to self-medication, then...? ;)
Well, I'm out of NyQuil and Mucinex, so what the Hell?
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many people will be making babies during this time.
these children will be know as coronials.
in 13 years, they will be known as a coron-teen.
I thought they were going to be known as "coronials"...
They are; but "coron-teen" is a wordplay on "quarantine," for when they become teenagers... Get it...? ;)
lolololol!! :) ;) :D ;D
Whatever.
I'm going to mix myself another quarantini and watch Netflix...
Well played!
So you've taken to self-medication, then...? ;)
Well, I'm out of NyQuil and Mucinex, so what the Hell?
i’ve been enjoying a glass of wine each night. are you watching the tiger documentary on netflix that everyone i know is raving about?
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Aside from the health implications, it's affecting my wallet. I'm a professional photographer and have already had five shoots cancelled...
Not to downplay your plight; but think of how much places like bars and restaurants are losing on St. Patrick's Day... :o
The bartenders, waitresses and musicians I know would gladly forego their March 17th tickets if it meant going back to work tomorrow.
I'm not in horrible shape. I've got invoices which are coming due (just got $1000 last night) and I have a pension. I also have an inheritance I'm desperately trying not to touch (so far, so good). In short, I'm not gonna' end up on the street anytime soon.
Interestingly, a friend asked me about a family shoot the other day, so that'll be a few hundred bucks. Then a guy I used to shoot real estate for called me and wants me to start photographing livestock.
Yeah.
But I'm going to do it, simply because it's a big money industry. He's got bulls which will sell for over $250K a piece and he needs professional photos for his website. He's a member of the Board of Cows (or whatever the name of association is) and he assures me that he can get me in to photograph all of the cattle shows around the state. I know what kind of money parents spend on their kid's pictures at a baseball camp. I have to believe it'll be similar for when little Cletus shows of his blur-ribbon winning Heiffer.
I threw an offer out to the local musician community, offering a free photo shoot for updated promo pics. It's not much, but I figure who wouldn't want an updated photo to put on a flyer or calendar page for when the cronapocalypse ends??
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Aside from the health implications, it's affecting my wallet. I'm a professional photographer and have already had five shoots cancelled...
Not to downplay your plight; but think of how much places like bars and restaurants are losing on St. Patrick's Day... :o
The bartenders, waitresses and musicians I know would gladly forego their March 17th tickets if it meant going back to work tomorrow.
I'm not in horrible shape. I've got invoices which are coming due (just got $1000 last night) and I have a pension. I also have an inheritance I'm desperately trying not to touch (so far, so good). In short, I'm not gonna' end up on the street anytime soon.
Interestingly, a friend asked me about a family shoot the other day, so that'll be a few hundred bucks. Then a guy I used to shoot real estate for called me and wants me to start photographing livestock.
Yeah.
But I'm going to do it, simply because it's a big money industry. He's got bulls which will sell for over $250K a piece and he needs professional photos for his website. He's a member of the Board of Cows (or whatever the name of association is) and he assures me that he can get me in to photograph all of the cattle shows around the state. I know what kind of money parents spend on their kid's pictures at a baseball camp. I have to believe it'll be similar for when little Cletus shows of his blur-ribbon winning Heiffer.
I threw an offer out to the local musician community, offering a free photo shoot for updated promo pics. It's not much, but I figure who wouldn't want an updated photo to put on a flyer or calendar page for when the cronapocalypse ends??
Yeah, I hear ya... Good luck with the livestock centerfolds...
Having been unemployed for the past two years, I myself had already throttled back almost to idle when the 'coronapocalypse' hit... Had been living off of savings and the odd eBay sale, so little has really changed for me except that I'm now cooped up in my house 99% of the time instead of 75% of my time (San Antonio went under a "shelter-in-place" order three days ago)...
Was chatting with a friend of mine today who said that the main supermarket chain here in Texas (HEB) was looking to hire, probably under the onslaught of demand for food. I don't know how many positions were available, but apparently 50,000 out-of-work folks applied... :o
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Aside from the health implications, it's affecting my wallet. I'm a professional photographer and have already had five shoots cancelled...
Not to downplay your plight; but think of how much places like bars and restaurants are losing on St. Patrick's Day... :o
The bartenders, waitresses and musicians I know would gladly forego their March 17th tickets if it meant going back to work tomorrow.
I'm not in horrible shape. I've got invoices which are coming due (just got $1000 last night) and I have a pension. I also have an inheritance I'm desperately trying not to touch (so far, so good). In short, I'm not gonna' end up on the street anytime soon.
Interestingly, a friend asked me about a family shoot the other day, so that'll be a few hundred bucks. Then a guy I used to shoot real estate for called me and wants me to start photographing livestock.
Yeah.
But I'm going to do it, simply because it's a big money industry. He's got bulls which will sell for over $250K a piece and he needs professional photos for his website. He's a member of the Board of Cows (or whatever the name of association is) and he assures me that he can get me in to photograph all of the cattle shows around the state. I know what kind of money parents spend on their kid's pictures at a baseball camp. I have to believe it'll be similar for when little Cletus shows of his blur-ribbon winning Heiffer.
I threw an offer out to the local musician community, offering a free photo shoot for updated promo pics. It's not much, but I figure who wouldn't want an updated photo to put on a flyer or calendar page for when the cronapocalypse ends??
Yeah, I hear ya... Good luck with the livestock centerfolds...
Having been unemployed for the past two years, I myself had already throttled back almost to idle when the 'coronapocalypse' hit... Had been living off of savings and the odd eBay sale, so little has really changed for me except that I'm now cooped up in my house 99% of the time instead of 75% of my time (San Antonio went under a "shelter-in-place" order three days ago)...
Was chatting with a friend of mine today who said that the main supermarket chain here in Texas (HEB) was looking to hire, probably under the onslaught of demand for food. I don't know how many positions were available, but apparently 50,000 out-of-work folks applied... :o
And just a few weeks ago we had the lowest unemployment in 50 years. My how times can change so quickly.
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Aside from the health implications, it's affecting my wallet. I'm a professional photographer and have already had five shoots cancelled...
Not to downplay your plight; but think of how much places like bars and restaurants are losing on St. Patrick's Day... :o
The bartenders, waitresses and musicians I know would gladly forego their March 17th tickets if it meant going back to work tomorrow.
I'm not in horrible shape. I've got invoices which are coming due (just got $1000 last night) and I have a pension. I also have an inheritance I'm desperately trying not to touch (so far, so good). In short, I'm not gonna' end up on the street anytime soon.
Interestingly, a friend asked me about a family shoot the other day, so that'll be a few hundred bucks. Then a guy I used to shoot real estate for called me and wants me to start photographing livestock.
Yeah.
But I'm going to do it, simply because it's a big money industry. He's got bulls which will sell for over $250K a piece and he needs professional photos for his website. He's a member of the Board of Cows (or whatever the name of association is) and he assures me that he can get me in to photograph all of the cattle shows around the state. I know what kind of money parents spend on their kid's pictures at a baseball camp. I have to believe it'll be similar for when little Cletus shows of his blur-ribbon winning Heiffer.
I threw an offer out to the local musician community, offering a free photo shoot for updated promo pics. It's not much, but I figure who wouldn't want an updated photo to put on a flyer or calendar page for when the cronapocalypse ends??
Yeah, I hear ya... Good luck with the livestock centerfolds...
Having been unemployed for the past two years, I myself had already throttled back almost to idle when the 'coronapocalypse' hit... Had been living off of savings and the odd eBay sale, so little has really changed for me except that I'm now cooped up in my house 99% of the time instead of 75% of my time (San Antonio went under a "shelter-in-place" order three days ago)...
Was chatting with a friend of mine today who said that the main supermarket chain here in Texas (HEB) was looking to hire, probably under the onslaught of demand for food. I don't know how many positions were available, but apparently 50,000 out-of-work folks applied... :o
I know that, locally, Publix grocery stores was looking to hire 1,000 people...
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Aside from the health implications, it's affecting my wallet. I'm a professional photographer and have already had five shoots cancelled...
Not to downplay your plight; but think of how much places like bars and restaurants are losing on St. Patrick's Day... :o
The bartenders, waitresses and musicians I know would gladly forego their March 17th tickets if it meant going back to work tomorrow.
I'm not in horrible shape. I've got invoices which are coming due (just got $1000 last night) and I have a pension. I also have an inheritance I'm desperately trying not to touch (so far, so good). In short, I'm not gonna' end up on the street anytime soon.
Interestingly, a friend asked me about a family shoot the other day, so that'll be a few hundred bucks. Then a guy I used to shoot real estate for called me and wants me to start photographing livestock.
Yeah.
But I'm going to do it, simply because it's a big money industry. He's got bulls which will sell for over $250K a piece and he needs professional photos for his website. He's a member of the Board of Cows (or whatever the name of association is) and he assures me that he can get me in to photograph all of the cattle shows around the state. I know what kind of money parents spend on their kid's pictures at a baseball camp. I have to believe it'll be similar for when little Cletus shows of his blur-ribbon winning Heiffer.
I threw an offer out to the local musician community, offering a free photo shoot for updated promo pics. It's not much, but I figure who wouldn't want an updated photo to put on a flyer or calendar page for when the cronapocalypse ends??
Yeah, I hear ya... Good luck with the livestock centerfolds...
Having been unemployed for the past two years, I myself had already throttled back almost to idle when the 'coronapocalypse' hit... Had been living off of savings and the odd eBay sale, so little has really changed for me except that I'm now cooped up in my house 99% of the time instead of 75% of my time (San Antonio went under a "shelter-in-place" order three days ago)...
Was chatting with a friend of mine today who said that the main supermarket chain here in Texas (HEB) was looking to hire, probably under the onslaught of demand for food. I don't know how many positions were available, but apparently 50,000 out-of-work folks applied... :o
I know that, locally, Publix grocery stores was looking to hire 1,000 people...
And on this note, two of my bartender friends got hired to work the deli department at Publix. They're newbies at $15 an hour and, after a probationary period, will get full benefits, 401K, etc. Publix is well known for being a great employer...
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Perhaps a ray of hope about the fight against this virus:
Immunologist says he has a possible cure for the coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/media/immunologist-possible-cure-for-the-coronavirus)
Don't expect to see anything immediate though; they're looking at maybe having it available by August... So don't give away those stockpiles of toilet paper just yet...
As a rhetorical aside on the subject of toilet paper: why are the shelves still devoid of the stuff...? In chatting with the stock boy at the local HEB supermarket chain here in San Antonio, he told me people are still lining up in the morning to buy all they can stock -- which apparently isn't much. My comment to him was: "People can't be using toilet paper that quickly... And if they are, they probably need to see a doctor...!" :o He admitted that they're likely just hoarding the stuff... Honestly: pretty soon toilet paper will be trading on the Black Market at the exchange rate of 1 roll to a dozen Hershey bars...!
So to those who already have a year's supply of toilet paper: be kind to your fellow man during these trying times; you may only need enough to get you to August (i.e., 4 months)... And either way, they haven't stopped making the stuff...
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Perhaps a ray of hope about the fight against this virus:
Immunologist says he has a possible cure for the coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/media/immunologist-possible-cure-for-the-coronavirus)
Don't expect to see anything immediate though; they're looking at maybe having it available by August... So don't give away those stockpiles of toilet paper just yet...
As a rhetorical aside on the subject of toilet paper: why are the shelves still devoid of the stuff...? In chatting with the stock boy at the local HEB supermarket chain here in San Antonio, he told me people are still lining up in the morning to buy all they can stock -- which apparently isn't much. My comment to him was: "People can't be using toilet paper that quickly... And if they are, they probably need to see a doctor...!" :o He admitted that they're likely just hoarding the stuff... Honestly: pretty soon toilet paper will be trading on the Black Market at the exchange rate of 1 roll to a dozen Hershey bars...!
So to those who already have a year's supply of toilet paper: be kind to your fellow man during these trying times; you may only need enough to get you to August (i.e., 4 months)... And either way, they haven't stopped making the stuff...
Tim, after reading your post, I have to tell you this, which is kinda in line with what you said.
My husband and I are producers of real maple syrup. One of our closest friends is a customer who usually gets a couple quarts at a time. A couple weeks ago, we told him that we would drop by with his 2 quarts and we told him how much it would be (if you know anything about pure maple syrup, it isn't cheap like the fake stuff you get at the store). When we got there, he had 2 rolls of toilet paper on the counter. "How about a trade for the maple syrup?" he said. We all got a kick out of it. Of course, we told him to keep the TP and give us the cash instead. It was funny that he did that, just kidding around with us.
I agree with you, though, I have NEVER understand this thing about TP.
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People get weird at times like these. Hoarding creates hoarding. Take what you need, need what you take. I myself, was mostly prepared. Usual stuff, few extra cans of this, few extra boxes of that. Back up box of 25 year shelf life stuff, just in case. Nothing crazy. Then we see TP, sanitizer wipes etc., always is out by us. So now when we walk by and they have a 6 pack, we buy it. We have a few weeks worth, nothing major. I’m grateful I can work mostly from home, a courtesy extended to me by work due to being immune suppressed.
Be safe all...
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Perhaps a ray of hope about the fight against this virus:
Immunologist says he has a possible cure for the coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/media/immunologist-possible-cure-for-the-coronavirus)
Don't expect to see anything immediate though; they're looking at maybe having it available by August... So don't give away those stockpiles of toilet paper just yet...
As a rhetorical aside on the subject of toilet paper: why are the shelves still devoid of the stuff...? In chatting with the stock boy at the local HEB supermarket chain here in San Antonio, he told me people are still lining up in the morning to buy all they can stock -- which apparently isn't much. My comment to him was: "People can't be using toilet paper that quickly... And if they are, they probably need to see a doctor...!" :o He admitted that they're likely just hoarding the stuff... Honestly: pretty soon toilet paper will be trading on the Black Market at the exchange rate of 1 roll to a dozen Hershey bars...!
So to those who already have a year's supply of toilet paper: be kind to your fellow man during these trying times; you may only need enough to get you to August (i.e., 4 months)... And either way, they haven't stopped making the stuff...
Tim, after reading your post, I have to tell you this, which is kinda in line with what you said.
My husband and I are producers of real maple syrup. One of our closest friends is a customer who usually gets a couple quarts at a time. A couple weeks ago, we told him that we would drop by with his 2 quarts and we told him how much it would be (if you know anything about pure maple syrup, it isn't cheap like the fake stuff you get at the store). When we got there, he had 2 rolls of toilet paper on the counter. "How about a trade for the maple syrup?" he said. We all got a kick out of it. Of course, we told him to keep the TP and give us the cash instead. It was funny that he did that, just kidding around with us.
I agree with you, though, I have NEVER understand this thing about TP.
Yes, I do know that pure maple syrup can be pricey! That is funny!
People get weird at times like these. Hoarding creates hoarding. Take what you need, need what you take. I myself, was mostly prepared. Usual stuff, few extra cans of this, few extra boxes of that. Back up box of 25 year shelf life stuff, just in case. Nothing crazy. Then we see TP, sanitizer wipes etc., always is out by us. So now when we walk by and they have a 6 pack, we buy it. We have a few weeks worth, nothing major. I’m grateful I can work mostly from home, a courtesy extended to me by work due to being immune suppressed.
Be safe all...
That's exactly the comment my neighbor made, although not in those exact words: the stupid people hoarding all the supplies now force you to play their game (i.e., hoarding things yourself)... They're carrying armfuls of the stuff out the doors, blissfully ignorant to the arrival of the 18-wheeler carrying the next load...
I've tried to approach it with the same attitude as you: take what I need, perhaps an extra one if it's available and come back another time to re-supply. I've left the last can of soup on the shelf thinking some elderly person might need it more than me; I've left the last gallon of milk on the shelf thinking someone with children might need it more than me... But I'll be jiggered if I can find someone who's left a roll of toilet paper or a bottle of antiseptic hand soap for me...! Now even plain ol' bars of soap are disappearing from shelves...
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Don't be a stooge -- listen to Moe:
Corona Virus PSA by Moe Howard (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2FTwNbaK7I)
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Aside from the health implications, it's affecting my wallet. I'm a professional photographer and have already had five shoots cancelled...
Not to downplay your plight; but think of how much places like bars and restaurants are losing on St. Patrick's Day... :o
Oh, absolutely!
Here in Florida, Governor DeSantis closed all bars and nightclubs for 30 days. I have a lot of friends who are bartenders, servers, musicians, etc, and they're all in panic mode right now...
30 days...?! That's definitely an overreaction...! I just read that San Francisco is now under a "shelter in place" order -- which sounds like a PC term for martial law to me...
People losing income, schools closed, sports leagues suspended, grocery store shelves empty... Geez, if this is the kind of reaction the country has over a glorified flu virus, imagine what it would be like if something truly deadly got loose...?! :o
Whaaat! What do you mean if something truly deadly got loose, you living under a rock or just...well, I'm not gonna say it here. People like you are part of the problem. This is much more than just the flu and no its not martial law to try and protect people from others who don't think its a big deal....such as yourself apparently.
Welcome to America. Where everyone is entitled their own opinion -- even an ungracious one like yours... Really? Part of the problem? You make it sound like I created this virus... Or was "patient zero..." Or worse yet, am knowingly walking around while infected or as a carrier... Get a grip on yourself...
In case you didn't read my initial post on this topic -- and judging from your response you didn't -- I have not endorsed carelessness about this virus at any point. But neither have I decided to live my life sheltered under a rock, as you seem to believe... Or suffering a cranial-rectal inversion, as you seem to hint... Quite the opposite, in fact...
So in case you haven't run the numbers -- and judging from your response, you haven't -- the latest reports are of 200,000 cases worldwide. In round numbers, there are 4 billion people still kicking on this planet. That means that 0.005% of the population is infected -- that's one FIVE HUNDREDTH of a percent. The number of deaths is smaller yet.
And in case you haven't read up on the symptoms -- which judging from your response, you haven't -- for the vast majority of people infected, the expected symptoms are: low-grade fever, runny nose, sore throat, dry cough, and shortness of breath. Hmm, death does not seem to be listed among those symptoms -- except for at-risk groups who have compromised immune systems, and who are at risk of death from just about any infection. So, yeah: coronavirus sounds like a glorified flu bug to me... And by the way: the flu infected -- and killed -- more people last year than coronavirus has...
People who have gone overboard with their reactions to this 'pandemic' (apparently you needn't look any farther than a mirror for one of them) have caused more pain and suffering to their fellow man than this bug ever will. How many people have been put out of work for an indefinite period of time...? When will the stock market/economy recover from this...? When's the last time you saw fully-stocked shelves in the supermarket...? I could go on, but what's the point...?
So if you want to live your life huddled inside your house in fear of what might be, then be my guest; in the end, only one of us will be right... And if it's you, then I guess I won't have to listen to "I told you so...!"
My wife is a retired registered nurse and is appalled with this kind of attitude when thousands worldwide are dying...
Then she, of all people, knows that people do die from diseases. Not a pleasant thought, I grant you; just reality. And if anything, she should understand my point: thousands of deaths worldwide. Not hundreds of thousands, not millions -- thousands... You guys make it sound like I want to see people suffer and die when I'm just trying to be a voice of reason in this matter...! But no one likes the guy who says out loud what most of us are already thinking...
As such, I won't be shouted down on this or any topic when the numbers just don't support it. The present reaction to coronavirus is way out of proportion to the known risks to human life. I will repeat that once again because it's apparently not sinking in to some: the documented symptoms are, for the vast majority of those infected, non-life-threatening. Just because it's never been encountered before doesn't justify this level of reaction. If we all want to agree to disagree, that's fine. But I'm not going to change my opinion on this unless and until the numbers show otherwise. And so far, the flu has proven itself to be far more deadly to mankind than coronavirus. But I don't recall the country shutting down last year when the seasonal flu was at it's peak... Why not...?
I waited to respond to see if 10s of thousands of deaths woke you up that this is not “just the flu.” Has your opinion on this changed since the “numbers have shown otherwise.”
You insisted it to be nothing with it’s silly little flu like symptoms, well you were wrong...25,000 dead, many more sick, many, many more to get sick, and 20 million out of work just in the US.
Go ahead, post another comment about how offended you are by me I’ll wait....
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Aside from the health implications, it's affecting my wallet. I'm a professional photographer and have already had five shoots cancelled...
Not to downplay your plight; but think of how much places like bars and restaurants are losing on St. Patrick's Day... :o
Oh, absolutely!
Here in Florida, Governor DeSantis closed all bars and nightclubs for 30 days. I have a lot of friends who are bartenders, servers, musicians, etc, and they're all in panic mode right now...
30 days...?! That's definitely an overreaction...! I just read that San Francisco is now under a "shelter in place" order -- which sounds like a PC term for martial law to me...
People losing income, schools closed, sports leagues suspended, grocery store shelves empty... Geez, if this is the kind of reaction the country has over a glorified flu virus, imagine what it would be like if something truly deadly got loose...?! :o
Whaaat! What do you mean if something truly deadly got loose, you living under a rock or just...well, I'm not gonna say it here. People like you are part of the problem. This is much more than just the flu and no its not martial law to try and protect people from others who don't think its a big deal....such as yourself apparently.
Welcome to America. Where everyone is entitled their own opinion -- even an ungracious one like yours... Really? Part of the problem? You make it sound like I created this virus... Or was "patient zero..." Or worse yet, am knowingly walking around while infected or as a carrier... Get a grip on yourself...
In case you didn't read my initial post on this topic -- and judging from your response you didn't -- I have not endorsed carelessness about this virus at any point. But neither have I decided to live my life sheltered under a rock, as you seem to believe... Or suffering a cranial-rectal inversion, as you seem to hint... Quite the opposite, in fact...
So in case you haven't run the numbers -- and judging from your response, you haven't -- the latest reports are of 200,000 cases worldwide. In round numbers, there are 4 billion people still kicking on this planet. That means that 0.005% of the population is infected -- that's one FIVE HUNDREDTH of a percent. The number of deaths is smaller yet.
And in case you haven't read up on the symptoms -- which judging from your response, you haven't -- for the vast majority of people infected, the expected symptoms are: low-grade fever, runny nose, sore throat, dry cough, and shortness of breath. Hmm, death does not seem to be listed among those symptoms -- except for at-risk groups who have compromised immune systems, and who are at risk of death from just about any infection. So, yeah: coronavirus sounds like a glorified flu bug to me... And by the way: the flu infected -- and killed -- more people last year than coronavirus has...
People who have gone overboard with their reactions to this 'pandemic' (apparently you needn't look any farther than a mirror for one of them) have caused more pain and suffering to their fellow man than this bug ever will. How many people have been put out of work for an indefinite period of time...? When will the stock market/economy recover from this...? When's the last time you saw fully-stocked shelves in the supermarket...? I could go on, but what's the point...?
So if you want to live your life huddled inside your house in fear of what might be, then be my guest; in the end, only one of us will be right... And if it's you, then I guess I won't have to listen to "I told you so...!"
My wife is a retired registered nurse and is appalled with this kind of attitude when thousands worldwide are dying...
Then she, of all people, knows that people do die from diseases. Not a pleasant thought, I grant you; just reality. And if anything, she should understand my point: thousands of deaths worldwide. Not hundreds of thousands, not millions -- thousands... You guys make it sound like I want to see people suffer and die when I'm just trying to be a voice of reason in this matter...! But no one likes the guy who says out loud what most of us are already thinking...
As such, I won't be shouted down on this or any topic when the numbers just don't support it. The present reaction to coronavirus is way out of proportion to the known risks to human life. I will repeat that once again because it's apparently not sinking in to some: the documented symptoms are, for the vast majority of those infected, non-life-threatening. Just because it's never been encountered before doesn't justify this level of reaction. If we all want to agree to disagree, that's fine. But I'm not going to change my opinion on this unless and until the numbers show otherwise. And so far, the flu has proven itself to be far more deadly to mankind than coronavirus. But I don't recall the country shutting down last year when the seasonal flu was at it's peak... Why not...?
I waited to respond to see if 10s of thousands of deaths woke you up that this is not “just the flu.” Has your opinion on this changed since the “numbers have shown otherwise.”
You insisted it to be nothing with it’s silly little flu like symptoms, well you were wrong...25,000 dead, many more sick, many, many more to get sick, and 20 million out of work just in the US.
Go ahead, post another comment about how offended you are by me I’ll wait....
Boy, the solitude must be getting to you; you just don't know when to let something lie, do you...? Your sanctimony is really something to behold... It's like you want the death toll to mount just so you can be right...
While you're morbidly watching the death count, I've been watching the survival rate: still better than 80% world-wide; too early to tell here in the U.S. because so many open cases yet, but I would expect it to be as good or better. Never said this wasn't a nasty bug or that I wanted to catch it -- or that I even wanted you to catch it. All I've contended is it isn't as deadly as they've scared everyone into thinking it is. And a lot of the deaths in the areas hit the hardest (e.g., New York City), from what I've read, are due to a lack of the proper equipment (ventilators) in proportion to the number of people who have needed them at any given moment. Who's fault is that? The hospital directors for not stocking millions of ventilators just in case...? The doctors for making triage decisions...? The patients for getting sick in the first place...? In case you haven't noticed (and judging from your response, you haven't): even with shelter-in-place orders, people are still getting this bug... Hardly my fault...
So just keep waiting for me to be offended; so far in my life, better people than you have tried... The numbers still support my position; this bug hasn't killed nearly as many people as the flu does in a year... Go back and check the number of deaths from the 1918 flu: depending on the estimates, between 17-100 million dead from that strain; and the world went on. So when the COVID-19 numbers start approaching those figures we can talk again...
And if our best plan is to hole up for the duration every time a new bug comes down the pike, don't talk to me about the unemployment numbers...
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the thread has lost its usefulness. no need to single each other out for differing opinions.